Scratch massive

[Zoepperman]

Anybody heard of this french band? They got a great 12 "
"Seeing is believing", produced by Cristian.
I hope there's an album following.

[CV]

Yep - i produced and mixed the whole album in Paris , 2001 .... not really sure what I make of it now,its been so long since i heard it... plus it was a weird mission , but I think i did some pretty decent pop - electro production and mix on most of it - as they haven't sent me any finished copy , and don't communicate with me much anymore , I really don't know what to think ... I'm gonna get in touch with them , thanks for letting me know that a record is out...

[Zoepperman]

I have only heard Seeing is believing once, but it was catchy as hell! don't know the album follows that direction. Is it released alraedy?
anyway, nice number 1 in your top 3, cristian.

[amble]

speaking of cristian as producer, how far is the CHICKS ON SPEED album?

[CV]

well, we are having some trouble scheduling enough time to get them back in my studio , as they are very busy gigging all over the world! looks like we have a bit more time in April, so we'll keep you posted....

[phil]

Do you have a job Cristian?

[MUX]

sure phil. he professionally organizises Dogfights every tuesday at the yard behing the pub.

Crisitan: do u now where we could have a listen to Scratch Massive ?

[MUX]

http://www.wordandsound.co.uk/media/ram/20060-a1.mp3
found one

[Tomoki]

Originally posted by Zoepperman
Anybody heard of this french band? They got a great 12 "
"Seeing is believing", produced by Cristian.
I hope there's an album following.

First, there are mixes out by David Carretta, Frank Arbaretaz and Cosmo Vitelli.

[MUX]

not sure if what i posted then is a remix or the original..

[phil]

Oh right he makes dog fights. great.cheers.

[wheezer]

hey, it's the hip happenin' thing to do; move to barcelona and organize dogfights for a living...

[MUX]

hoy guys & gals, b4 this get outta hand it was a joke ok?

[Andreas]

sounds like chicks on speed on the mic on that mp3...

[wheezer]

Originally posted by MUX
hoy guys & gals, b4 this get outta hand it was a joke ok?

*putsbrutusbackinhiskennel*

[Lady E]

do you have a job phil?

[Lady E]

that track you posted doesnt sound like SM...

[MUX]

that crossed my mind actually.. could it be a remix?

this is where i found it:
http://www.wordandsound.co.uk/index.php3?exec=detailview&articleid=20060

[Lady E]

that track you posted doesnt sound like SM...

[MUX]

the link i posted now is where i found it

[Zoepperman]

sounds like a remix to me.

[phil]

yes i do have a job. im a c++ programmer for an adult website.

[pille'ocheoni]

cool phil....how long have you been doing c?

[Articulate]

in my opinion its carretta's mix..

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by phil
yes i do have a job. im a c++ programmer for an adult website.

why does an adult website need a C++ programmer?

[CV]

That mp3 is a remix - the version I arranged is a kind of teenage technopopguitar thing with a big finale

Phil - please... the bears thread and the YeeKing biscuit were inspired mate , but now you're hijacking this thread with a C++ Adult Site programmer fantasy... !! - Actually , this Scratch Massive thing is pretty significant , as I pretty much did it in secret , and this is the first time anyone from the board has mentioned it... I'm also a bit wary about what people are going to make of it , as it is pop...

[Zoepperman]

oops, hope I didn't spoil a secret! but hey, didn't I tell you i'm working for the FBI?
Scratch Masssive is nothing to be embarrassed for... on the contrary. hope I can get my hands on the album. more info is always welcome cristian.

[phil]

Well i do actually work for a company that is launching a new "erotic" tc channel on the SKy platform. So there.

[grobelaar]

I like Pop music, but it is a bit like Science fictiona and fantasy fiction - you have to wade through vast piles of dross for an occasional gem - I think its a shame too that in the music industry producers get, well I 'spose the word is 'genrecasted' and if you do a different project you either get loads of stick from people saying you've 'betrayed' them or you get loads of stick from people saying they didn't like your existing stuff so this new project must be shit too.

I think the UK is particularly bad for it, people define their music tastes from what they read in the press and don't have the gumption to open their ears and decide for themselves, they sit their talking authoritively about why this is good and this is bad and in reality they can't even decide for themselves if they like a tune or not - this is not a music fan - this is a fashion victim...

Ha ha, that would be a funny idea - if people's record collections some how affected the clothes they wear - hmm perhaps they do - all those media types wondering around in old skool trainers and trackie tops with sideburns - I bet they've got appalling taste - I mean someone's convinced them to part with top dollar for clobber that got designed 20 years ago (nothing like making money on your back catalogue, eh?) - and what's this wearing camoflage combat trousers with high heel ankle boots, seriously I think some of these fashion designers are comedians... :-)

[Weishaupt]

think, theres a different opinions, what pop music is or not.


sometimes i like brummagem sounds....when i have a brummagem day....

but pop is not brummagem for me............pop is a trivial feeling, wich is easy structured............

it´s made by a simple recipe:

what is the lowest common denominator of all people???
It is dullness!

ergo..........i make dullness sounds, wich are easy to understand for the most people............and than im popoular............and my music is pop......

i dont like this technokiddy-i´ll-be-a-hero music..................
maybe for example chicks on speed become a kind of with charisma
with cristians help................

I'm curious about the result for that, what cristian see in this direction.

[deccard]

i don´t think you can describe the common denominator with dullness. the marketing and fame of artists is a problem of popmusic. there are always surprises what ends up in the charts but people like madonna make dull stuff but because they are famous people get to hear it so often they don´t get a chance to hear better stuff.

[Weishaupt]

certainly have the people the chance to hear better stuff.................but they didnt know the difference!!!!!!!
that is the problem.................

unknow about the chance to select this or this is also a basic problem for the most people...........not only from the philosophical side................

the possibility , that you can select this or that, to decide what you will do, is the only kind of freedom wich nobody can take from you......

...to understand this is the first step to a big thing called responsibility.............!

this is your way into a consume of...how do you say it, deccard............"better stuff"..............

you have to learn about the responsible handling of the music............

and than.........you will get the information about dullnes and stuff........

dullnes sounds for dullnes people......................al so a chance for this people to find a way into it................actually a good thing........harharhar........ really.....

and that why i say that you have ever the chance to select the things for yourself................but you must now the difference......

je ne sais quoi (das gewisse etwas-sorry, dont know the english term) make the difference............the subtle distinction is sigificant.....

[deccard]

ur right. i saw it from the point of people are propaganda victims of the media machine.

[CV]

well - as I guess some of you realise by now , I am moving on and growing into production and mixing... SM was the first major production project that was commissioned from me , and I tried my very best with the material and direction that the duo wanted, working with my muscial background and studio/writing approach.. I wouldn't say it was easy , but then again it was rewarding and I learnt alot... SM a re quite a strange, modern concept of a band anyway , again , electronic pop with guest vocals, not really instrumentalists... their management, salam aleikum amusements , are the people behind FFF , one of Frances longest standing funk / rock / pop groups ... opinions about Pop and sell-out etc are pretty much irrelevant I would say in this day and age , as its all just down to commitment , stimulation and dynamism in my view ... and that energy essentially comes from some unexpected sources and contrasts

[Tomoki]

Out of a critic in this month´s Groove mag.

Hallo, das geht ja rund hier. Cristian Vogel produziert die französischen Scratch Massive mit hübsch rotzigem Gesang und wird hier noch einmal durch kompetente Hände gereicht. Gerade der Mix von Carreta klingt recht knackig nach EBM-Diskothek und orgelndem Wave - Pathos, und es ist immer wieder erstaunlich zu sehen, dass – wenn man das Rohmaterial nur wertvoll genug ist- man gar nichts dagegen einwenden mag.

Sitzt super! Der frank arbatarez-Mix schält eher die rock-elements heraus, könnte aber auch fortschrittliche electro-Floors zum headbangen bringen. Cosmo Vitellis Version schließlich sprudelt über vor Gefühl und schmachtendem Orchester, dass einem ganz durmelig wird.

____________
Hello, it´s getting round in here. Cristian Vogel produces the French
Scratch Massive with prettily impudent singing and again by
competent hands is handed here. The straight mix from Carreta sounds
quite cracky after EBM discotheque and organ that Wave - Pathos, and
it is to be seen again and again amazing that – if one may not
object the raw material only valuable enough actual one nothing at all
to it.

Super sits! In addition, the franc arbatarez mixing emerges rather
skirt element, could bring progressive electro Floors to the
headbangen. Cosmo Vitellis version finally gushes over before feeling
and schmachtendem orchestra that one becomes completely different.

[Mui]

in regards to production etc cristian, if someone more 'mainstream' or 'charty' came along and asked you to produce some tracks or an album what would you do? heh....like if robbie williams asked you I'd imagine you'd tell him to get fucked......but then again maybe the money would make it worthwhile....

[MUX]

sorry about that remix preview, as i said i wasnt so sure it was you.
cristian, i actually do think that we might have mentioned the SM band before.. just not very specific.. i think it was simply said

& u also recently mentioned to be producing a spanish hiphop act,, around july ( i remember the date being close to sonar..) what about them?

[a.rodin]

Originally posted by cristian
... Actually , this Scratch Massive thing is pretty significant , as I pretty much did it in secret , and this is the first time anyone from the board has mentioned it... I'm also a bit wary about what people are going to make of it , as it is pop...


...Who cares what other people think? You do what you feel like doing Cristian. A journey between opposites. Do as you will and you'll be fine. I think you should work with as many popular arrtists as possible. Make a name for yourself. As long as you're happy with the end result, you ain't pimpin' yourself.

[Lady E]

pop rocks

[Weishaupt]

popcorn rocks

paula is great............

[V Knid esq]

sheesh, pop is fine. Don't worry about purist dorks, Cristian, make good music.

[phil]

I hate it when people like Madonna etc.. want people like Aphex,squarepusher etc. just so they can get a piece..etc etc.. But they don't sell out and do that shit. They got integrity, and that gets big respect from me. Besides Scratch massive are shit.

[deccard]

i´m not a fucking purist damnit.
purists are conservative morons who can only have fun from behind.

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by deccard
i´m not a fucking purist damnit.
purists are conservative morons who can only have fun from behind.


right from behind.............hrhrhr

[deccard]

hehe

[phil]

yeah, anyone who thinks that the band you have done a remix for is shit must be Jelous. Don't it occur to you that someone might just simple not like the said band?

[Lady E]

are you having an argument with yourself again phil?
well done.

[c s]

Originally posted by cristian
their management, salam aleikum amusements

hehe, nice name... lol

[c s]

Originally posted by emma
pop rocks

just got tickets for peter gabriel.

[c s]

i also checked the mp3 as i read something about 'ebm discotheque' :D - hmm the sequence, yes, but the chords are not 'wave pathos' in my opinion, it's more a bit jarre-like i'd say. would be quite interesting to hear the original production.