anyone know how to make a magazine

[Davenport]

Anyone ever thought about publishing a magazine? do u need adverts inside them? is it expensive?

[marcel]

magazines ar shit, phil. they're s-h-i-t.
geti t sorted.

[Davenport]

i know theyre shit thats y i wanna do a good one

[marcel]

i wish you luck.

but seriously: you either gonna make a shitty fanzine 80sstyle, handcopied. which is just wrong nowadays.
or you'll become an industrysucker, "get your adverts into our magazine, the hip youngsters are our readers" kinda style.

suggestion: do a pdf-magazine. that's it: almost no productioncosts.

[Davenport]

i wish you luck.

but seriously: you either gonna make a shitty fanzine 80sstyle, handcopied. which is just wrong nowadays.



why is it wrong If its good to read?

[decadnids]

not sure why a fanzine is wrong these days?

phil, if you want short runs of photo-copy type magazine then its not too bad.. but a nice glossy one is gonna be expensive - adverts are a good way to cover costs, if you can get people to pay for an advert - they'd want to know that there is actually a readership before sticking an advert in there.

what would the magazine be about?

[Davenport]

not sure why a fanzine is wrong these days?

phil, if you want short runs of photo-copy type magazine then its not too bad.. but a nice glossy one is gonna be expensive - adverts are a good way to cover costs, if you can get people to pay for an advert - they'd want to know that there is actually a readership before sticking an advert in there.

what would the magazine be about?


I like the idea of a fanzine.. photocpyed magazine with no adverts in at all, except my adverts for things i want to sell or promote.. you charge 50pence to cover printing costs.. all the words in it would be checked by me. so no embarrassing reporters making the mag look shit.. it would all be the bollox..
any idea of how much it would cost to do a 30 page mag?

[decadnids]

depends on how many you print up phil, and what size of format you do the bag at.. an a5 will be cheaper than an a4 size etc etc.

if its photocopied stuff, then you can just do small print runs as and when its needed.

[marcel]

in the time of the internet and with proper epaper on the horizon I find it a bit of a waste of time,energy and resources to do a handcopied zine. besides that it feels dated to me. you can reach niches or special audiences way better nowadays with other approaches. (although i see the reasons behind doing something you can actually touch)

just my opinion. nevermind

[Davenport]

o yeah let me put together an E-newsletter thats fucking good isnt it. and do go on abour resources? am i the cunt sucking the earth dry of oil? no im not. i'll fucking use some paper. im not the evil cunt on planet earth. im blameless as the next man.. u may think its a waste of time and energy,. but im sure most of your life is a waste of time and energy if you really put your mind to it,.

[marcel]

no oil, was talking about your money. YOUR money.
sorry if i did offend you.













not really

[Davenport]

just fuk off and stop ruining the buzz

[mattgloss]

If it looks nice and is funny I'll buy it.

Print it at work.

[marcel]

just fuk off and stop ruining the buzz
you're at work right? maybe you should have a wank

[Davenport]

mate, fuck off yeah. instead of turning peoples dreams to nightmares maybe you can start being a positive role model to the no-future children out there. Cus right now your setting a bad example of human beingness.


so shut up and back to the magazine chat.. ok, print at work..thats a good idea. but i think they will get a bit funny with running of thousansds of pages wont they... does it cost a lot to print a A5 mag?

[AVX23]

My friend is an editor for a mag/newspaper up here called the skinny - I'll hit you up with her details if you want.

Mags are good, but I can't help but think that the internet is somewhat replacing the likes of fanzines and stuff.

A decent UK Mag covering proper alternative dance, art, fashion would fucking rock tho.

Anyone remember Rage mag ? I reckon we could do with another one of them, any mag that covered the joyriding scene in manchester when it was all going down is a heap of fun in my book.

(by that I mean it had balls - not that I appreciate joyriding)

That mag was like a bible when I was a wee floppy haired indie kiddie and helped bridge the gap between indie and dance big time.

Also - u ever checked De:bug - s not bad either.

[decadnids]

dunno if these people are any good

http://www.precisionprint.co.uk/index.php?page=magazines-a5

but some prices.

[Davenport]

My friend is an editor for a mag/newspaper up here called the skinny - I'll hit you up with her details if you want.

Mags are good, but I can't help but think that the internet is somewhat replacing the likes of fanzines and stuff.

A decent UK Mag covering proper alternative dance, art, fashion would fucking rock tho.

Anyone remember Rage mag ? I reckon we could do with another one of them, any mag that covered the joyriding scene in manchester when it was all going down is a heap of fun in my book.

(by that I mean it had balls - not that I appreciate joyriding)

That mag was like a bible when I was a wee floppy haired indie kiddie and helped bridge the gap between indie and dance big time.

Also - u ever checked De:bug - s not bad either.


yo! yeah wicked man, send me over her details.. fyuk internet replacing that shiiit. internet is shit. reading off a monitiopr is shit mate. o look i read it.. o Look i read something on the screen., NO.
with the zine u can put a tape on the cover. an acid tape yeah!!! or maybe a tape wioth sound effex YEAH!. skys is the limit.1!

[AVX23]

or even a tape with someone reading the magazine - yeahhhh :)

I'll PM you with her email addy man.

[Davenport]

yo cheers AVX23 mate that would be mucho decentos

[M H]

in the time of the internet and with proper epaper on the horizon I find it a bit of a waste of time,energy and resources to do a handcopied zine.

this is exactly whats wrong with the world right now...

I think photocopied zines are a great idea as YOU DON'T NEED A COMPUTER SWITCHED ON TO READ THEM....

[Davenport]

yeah marcel. u should listen to MH, cus he speaks some sense.

Marcel, the computer isnt everything u know.. remember when u have a powercut and u get out the candles... yeah ok all ur food defrosts etc but its good isnt it!!! a dark house with a few candles u know that vibe.. u get the camping stove out.. Well that is what its like.. go it?

[e_wann]

the price that they counted here was alike the one in decanids link, a bit more tho but i dunno how the prices are in the UK, and mostly those big offices drop the prices way under the line, were just a medium-sized-company that cant go as low

[spoon]

will this magazine be any better than your films phil?

[Davenport]

only very slightly mind. but definatly a whole lot better than your entire life put on to a floppy disk

[grobelaar]

All you need is a stapler and an old secondhand A4 B&W laser printer...

[Lady E]

we used to do a zine at Defunkt. it wasnt up to much but people seemed to enjoy it.

im with everyone against marcel on this one (sorry marcel :) ). I cant understand why people equate paper somehow with a waste of resources when it is a sustainable, recyclable resource. if anyone thinks for a second that e-paper, whatever that is, can replace a book or a magazine or a pen and paper then they are idiots. soon all this wanton wastefulness will catch up with us and the people who will be in charge will be those who have retained the ability to design and build old fashioned printing presses. probably.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

There's always the danger it will get so succesful that it will deforest the planet.

Good zines these day don't rely on 'news' but something a bit more creative.

[marcel]

I cant understand why people equate paper somehow with a waste of resources when it is a sustainable, recyclable resource. if anyone thinks for a second that e-paper, whatever that is, can replace a book or a magazine or a pen and paper then they are idiots.

again: with resources I meant phils money and time. depending on the quality you want to achieve it can become expensive to produce it and you'll not break eaven if you don't put adverts in it. and it takes a lot of time for producing and distributing it. that is what I meant (and I don't need big letters to bring that across M H).

with epaper I meant stuff like this (http://www.irextechnologies.com/shop/products/iliad.htm).
can you explain to me who was talking of "replacing" anything?? Devices like this will in the future make it way easier for small mags and zines as they can be cheaper and easier distributed (by just putting up an pdf-file for example). of course they will not replace papermags and books! but they will supplement it.

and once again
although i see the reasons behind doing something you can actually touch

[Davenport]

again: with resources I meant phils money and time. depending on the quality you want to achieve it can become expensive to produce it and you'll not break eaven if you don't put adverts in it. and it takes a lot of time for producing and distributing it. that is what I meant (and I don't need big letters to bring that across M H).

with epaper I meant stuff like this (http://www.irextechnologies.com/shop/products/iliad.htm).
can you explain to me who was talking of "replacing" anything?? Devices like this will in the future make it way easier for small mags and zines as they can be cheaper and easier distributed (by just putting up an pdf-file for example). of course they will not replace papermags and books! but they will supplement it.

and once again

Im sorry Marcel but u really have pushed your bloody luck with this one.

Firstly, i DON'T appreciate been made to look like some sort of earth raper.
secondly, i don't appreciate the kind of links you are putting up. As if to serve as some kind of properganda war.

Look, with all due respect, how the HELL am i going to be able to afford to buy everyone E-PAPER.. Your bloody bonkers man. your talking about getting me up to my eyeballs in DEBT.. the flipping technology isnt EVEN fucking out yet..

But o no, paper...its just too OLD SKOOL MAAAAN


me thinks you think your a wee bit too cool for school

and you know what that equals..


an evil cunt whos trying to turn people into PEADO F's

[M H]

(and I don't need big letters to bring that across M H).

Sorry, nothing personal... :)

just I think photocopied zine type things are great, I'm not totally anti technology, but I'd love to see a return of things like that, and I suspect a lot of other people would too. I think they can be quite usefull in pulling together scenes, like the old Test news letters did.. thinking of trying to encourage that sort of thing when I move to poland, as a lot of the party people there don't have access to a computer at home, and I think it could be a good way of getting the scene there to bond... and that's a point that's easy to miss when you're sat in front of your computer screen with your 5 mb/s connection, not everyone has internet at home.. I'm firmly in favour of bringing back "Real" things, when you DL something from the net, it's much more disposable, and, as I said before, I hate the fact you have to turn your computer on to look at stuff, or transfer it to your "e paper" or whatever, it's nice just to pick up a little magazine and read it... I mean, what you gonna read when you're sat on the toilet, you take your laptop there to read things.. bring on the real shit...

[Loz]

I'd like to see the return of the Increasingly Infrequent Erutufon Newsletter. In paper or e- form.

[marcel]

yeah mark, you have some points there. a good future would include both worlds I think. whatever

so you're moving to poland? what city?

[gypsy_cream]

yep imagine the music scene back when not everyone had the internet and we relied on word of mouth, magazines, radio, fanzines, inserts inside vinyls, etc.. some places are still like that and even in places where evreyone has the net ..people still enjoy little things like that..

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Anyone remember noisegate? That was a cracking zine still around in the mid-late nineties.. maybe it still exists.. I dunno.

Zines don't have that frustrating thing that is inherently built into websites due to their nature.. you find a really good website and then get really annoyed everytime you visit and it's not update.. whereas a zine that rarely comes around is always a great surprise when a new one turns up...

Of course you could argue that RSS gives you that thing.. but it's so cold and has no style or warmth.

[JonnySpeed]

I'm fully for you Phil. There's 4 ways of funding...

1) donations from people willing to fund you
2) profits from another/connected enterprise
3) subscription/cover price
4) advertising

There's nothing wrong with adverts if you have only accept companies that meet you personal morals or position. Howies do a great catalogue that also has 3rd party advertorials from people like Apple and Innocent Smoothies.

Distribution channel is going to be important to get enough scale to keep the unit price down and generate any interest from advertisers or subscribers. You might have to do sale or return in shops = specifying that damaged copies will not be returnable, allowing them up to 3 free display copies. you can use the web to get people to pay for subscriptions via a microsite with sample content. Cover mounted freebee such as a CD are good for getting people picking it up.

Its all about sheep as a pet this month... and skateboard troosers showing yer pants