The New Squarepusher EP!

[phil]

I have heard this. Any all i have to say is. No one is fucking with Tom Jenkinson right Now. He's pretty much shutting down Electronic music. The first tune is the most brutal "pop" tune i have ever hear. Pure Genius. It's gonna be called "From Behind" you heard it here first.

[V Knid esq]

Squarepusher is gay.

[KaOz]

hähä :D

[phil]

Tom isn't gay.

[V Knid esq]

He's a big hairy gay with a handlebar moustache, aviator shades, chaps and a gallon container of poppers and swarfega mix.

[phil]

morbid acid

[deccard]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
He's a big hairy gay with a handlebar moustache, aviator shades, chaps and a gallon container of poppers and swarfega mix.

hehe
true but you shouldn´t talk bad about your ex-lovers knid

[barry2604]

is it a two-step 'pop' thing like my red hot car/do you know squarepusher? any idea when its out? is he ever gonna put something out on that MEN label or what?

[MUX]

he's good but hyped.
he was certainly ahead of his time.

[KaOz]

he plays e bass like a traumtorten god

[phil]

The new "pop" tune is like britney spears on DMT in the year 2077. if she was the same age. its so brutal, it's garage no doubt but off its fucking head. dunno when its coming out for sure, but coming out with it is a re-issue of Buddakan mindphone, which has all the tracks off maximum priest and three new amazing tracks

[wheezer]

I dunno, "red hot car" wasn't half bad, but making fun of garage is a bit easy imho, would've expected more from the great squarepusher...

[phil]

trust me. you have never heard anything like this. makes everything else like Mike P seem pretty soulless.

[KaOz]

dont hipe it to much, he is only a human.
there are better ones.

[phil]

But it's the bollax

[barry2604]

yeah, he is the daddy, the only person you really need to listen to...full stop. why does budakhan mindphone need a reissue, can you not still get it? iambic 5 poetry is probably my fave tune of all time.

i was listening to that yee-king mix on maximum priest last night...spotted a sound he used on superuser in it, i think its in the track sleepy clown.

[phil]

all the remixes are being taken off. and like i said it is being merged with maximum priest plus 3 tracks which were left off which are amazing. So it's gonna be a big album now. cop the vinyl.

[V Knid esq]

I'm sure it'll be terrific.

But very gay.

[phil]

How do you mean gay?

[barry2604]

are you mates with tom phil? or mate of a mate or what? just curious where you're getting all your info. the remixes are good stuff though, esp yee-king's...he's ridiculously under-rated and ignored.

[V Knid esq]

gay as in happy: skipping through flowered meadows singing "tra la la la la" and blowing kisses to little baby fawns and bunnikins.

[phil]

yee-kings superuser is lovely. i love the track toby. thats got soul.
Tom is a mate, lives near me, gonna be doing a video off a new track on the EP "from Behind"

[barry2604]

nice one...shake his hand for me. you're doing the video then? have you done any other stuff like that before?

[phil]

i did one for Conc 2 Symmetriac of "Do you know squarepusher" will stick it on my ftp on friday so u can have a look.

[old skool]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
gay as in happy: skipping through flowered meadows singing "tra la la la la" and blowing kisses to little baby fawns and bunnikins.

That does sound like Squarepusher to me.

Good old big gay Squarey .... and his one trick pony.

[phil]

what do you mean "one trick pony"?

[old skool]

Sorry, the album was called Go Plastic wasn't it ? I got confused...

[phil]

Im not sure I understand what your saying?

[old skool]

I just find Squarepusher, and now even Aphex Twin to be big fans of the fast attack, in yer face, let's av it, snare drums and erm nowt else really. And they like to use them on the vast majority of tracks. Go Plastic bored me to tears after a few tracks and the same with Aphex's latest one.

Have they started sleeping with each other or summat ?

[phil]

well not many people really like Tom's stuff really. i love the av it brutal shit. loads of soul. If you like very calm music which is good, super user by yee-king is good. you prolly heard it.

[old skool]

I haven't heard it but I see you've mentioned a remix by that artist before.

Mad snare's are great, when there's a big phat bassline running under them and an MC giving it some....

But sat on my couch trying to have a conversation with a plant after a night out ... nah ....

Each to their own I suppose.

[grobelaar]

It's all a bit...

[grobelaar]

<Great>

[phil]

i think there is a little more to Toms work than "mad snares". Maybe he's too advanced for your mind.

[marcin]

yeah definitelly Tom is the man, specially with his Orville...
phil, do you have an idea when his new ep is coming out?

[phil]

prolly april, its finished toms doing a cover with john his brother, but u know what warp are like. They take ages to sort their lives out.

[deccard]

Originally posted by phil
i think there is a little more to Toms work than "mad snares". Maybe he's too advanced for your mind.

it´s just a matter of taste.

the new stuff of "old" electronic heroes doesn´t have this "first man on the moon" effect anymore. there are others now who can keep it more than up.

[phil]

yeah but name me one electric person with Toms groove? apart from philie-t

[marcel]

Originally posted by phil
yeah but name me one electric person with Toms groove? apart from philie-t
me

[deccard]

if he wouldn´t have his groove he wouldn´t be him but on not every track it shines. same goes for druqs. not half of the tracks have the quality an afx could make or already did.
anyway i liked the mindphone most...

[MUX]

i once read he used to sell glowsticks at gatecrasher.
Sorted. Man.

[old skool]

Originally posted by phil
i think there is a little more to Toms work than "mad snares". Maybe he's too advanced for your mind.

My minds too advanced for him more like. I like sounds that when comprised together create something called 'music'. Whooaa check that out baby.

My 5 year old nephew gets on the Squarepusher thang when he kicks his Fisher Price drumkit down the stairs... only he's taking it to another level like Aphex by sticking on his little Japanese music box at the same time ... aaah .... go for it little Alfred.

Niice :-))

[phil]

I reckon you must need Mc twintub on more tracks. Check out MF Doom's operation doomsday if you don't like Squarepusher.

[old skool]

All crew biggup MC Twintub ....!

[wheezer]

Originally posted by MUX
i once read he used to sell glowsticks at gatecrasher.
Sorted. Man.

hmm, I once passed out 200 postcards that read "SHIT" on them in large letters at a hard house party, not quite the same, but otoh probably more fun too :D

[MUX]

excelent idea. once i was at a richie hawtin gig, and that was pne of those really heavy E users , that was barely 16 came right in the middle of my crew, smelling like Vick Vapour Rub and shit, he kinda got stuck there for 20 minutes pissing us all off after a short time, so i whispeared in his ear that his mum & dad just died. he ran off away quite fast! didnt see him again

[old skool]

Originally posted by MUX
excelent idea. once i was at a richie hawtin gig, and that was pne of those really heavy E users , that was barely 16 came right in the middle of my crew, smelling like Vick Vapour Rub and shit, he kinda got stuck there for 20 minutes pissing us all off after a short time, so i whispeared in his ear that his mum & dad just died. he ran off away quite fast! didnt see him again

Bit heavy that mate...

[wheezer]

well there was a lot of chance involved - I was on location, and when I noticed that the music sucked, my first instinct was to get properly plastered - after I had achieved that goal, I spotted a postcard stand in the corner, and it held those aforementioned 200 postcards...the chance was too beautiful to pass up.

but I did pass out some finnish anti-mp3 brochures at last new years in germany, that was quite fun too - I was actually able to convince one guy that the brochure was a flyer for a party next week at the same location, just written in Finnish instead of German...

[decadnids]

but I did pass out some finnish anti-mp3 brochures at last new years in germany, that was quite fun too - I was actually able to convince one guy that the brochure was a flyer for a party next week at the same location, just written in Finnish instead of German...

what you got against mp3s?

[phil]

i like mp3s. but i always buy vinyl. and then not play it much, cause i can just sling on an mp3.

[wheezer]

@decadnids

not much at all, I thought that might be obvious from the fact that I was passing out anti-mp3 flyers in a language that pretty much nobody can understand...

[deccard]

Originally posted by MUX
excelent idea. once i was at a richie hawtin gig, and that was pne of those really heavy E users , that was barely 16 came right in the middle of my crew, smelling like Vick Vapour Rub and shit, he kinda got stuck there for 20 minutes pissing us all off after a short time, so i whispeared in his ear that his mum & dad just died. he ran off away quite fast! didnt see him again


the poor boy

[jukka]

maybe it had a positive effect on him and he stopped taking drugs !??!

[old skool]

Stopping taking drugs is not positive.... its just plain daft.... maybe he should have stopped using the vicks ...

But then again he might have had a cold ???

[wheezer]

I dunno, I'd prefer some old nutter whispering "your parents died" into my ears over, say, a gay old nutter whispering "I like the way your tight *** moves in that"

[jukka]

but if mux writes a heavy e user with 16 years________this won't take a good end !!just imagine when he is about 25...........

[wheezer]

I dunno jukka, I was "a heavy e user" when I was 16 lol

[old skool]

I dunno about that... if it was a nice looking gay nutter, I'd be flattered and say 'cheers dude but I'm straight', but if it was a nutter bangin' on about my parents dying whilst I'm trying to have a night out, I'd lay smackdown on his bitch ass .... generally.

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by wheezer
I dunno jukka, I was "a heavy e user" when I was 16 lol

aha

[wheezer]

@oldskool

ok, that might not have been phrased clearly enough - I had a drunk gay ugly old nutter in mind, the kind that doesn't keep his hands to himself...

it's just that in most scenarios I can think of of some stranger telling me my parents just died (at a club, no less), I wouldn't be able to take him/her serious for a sec!

[wheezer]

Originally posted by Weishaupt


aha

what's that sherlock? :)

[Weishaupt]

peace aufs brot :-)

[jukka]

imo it is just a bit too early to take e's at the age of 16____think the young people taking them way too careless and way too much of them and way too often------------

;)

[wheezer]

I dunno, I don't think I was too young when I did it, but I've also seen people taking e's/drugs at a much older age that still seemed "too young" to take e's/drugs, know what I mean?

[Weishaupt]

i smooke firstly with 13 and took my first acid with 15...and today.....................

im unemployd...:-/

[wheezer]

so you feel that those past events are to blame for your current misfortune? I'm sorry, but I'd have to disagree strongly with that...

[Weishaupt]

hehehehe...................
nono...................all is ok...i was jokin............

i have a nice head!

[wheezer]

so it seems! :illin:

[jukka]

Originally posted by Weishaupt
hehehehe...................
nono...................all is ok...i was jokin............

i have a nice head!

SURE you have a nice hat :)

[jukka]

Originally posted by wheezer
I dunno, I don't think I was too young when I did it, but I've also seen people taking e's/drugs at a much older age that still seemed "too young" to take e's/drugs, know what I mean?

yes, at least it depends on the person himself if it damage his "brainhealth"_____

[phil]

acid did me no favours, just makes me think im gonna loose my mind in certain situations. great. Cheers acid.

[Weishaupt]

cheers mate............

till the day you see me physikal*bibber

im scaring person...........
everytime i hear some voices......"youre small, youre doof, dont take this way........youre not crazy........dont think to much"..........

[wheezer]

@phil

that's pretty much how sandoz marketed it to people back when they were allowed to...

[aleks]

who says that e´s are causing braindamage?that´s all government and media propaganda...

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by aleks
who says that e´s are causing braindamage?that´s all government and media propaganda...

RIGHT!

thats the reason why i have not a tv.............

im for quit using drugs............

[phil]

I have done acid once. In a VERY large dose!! i lost the ability to think, i was just experienceing things in a raw and inhuman way. experiencng how we are all connected, feeling like i am the walking universe! sound familiar. or did u do one tab, and just have things a bit melty?

[old skool]

I took my first E when I was 15 and being doing them regulary since then ....

Even I've got to admit though the amount you have to take to try and get that 'buzz' back again is getting silly.

I must take a break ... sometime.....

And don't get me started on acid .... deary me .....

[jukka]

yup.....a break does its job then____

[Weishaupt]

cheers to albert and tim..............

[aleks]

i did two days of acid and day two was the sickest day i have ever experienced in my whole life....it was beyond mental.

[wheezer]

@phil

yeh I think I've gone through a large part of the spectrum dosage wise...try all of what you said again, this time sitting in a car driven by a good friend of yours who doesn't know you're on anything, on his first day with a driver's license, and then have the cops stop you...

but the one tab/just a bit melty type experience can be quite nice too...

[old skool]

And how did a topic about Squarepusher suddenly get onto this ...

Yeah Squarey !! Erm, stop playing them, erm snare drums...

[wheezer]

@oldskool et al

if e's aren't doing their magic by themselves anymore, try hooking up with some 5-htp! ingest 30-60 minutes prior to ingesting the e(s), it'll boost the e's effects AND reduce the neurotoxicity of the e - works great!

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by old skool
And how did a topic about Squarepusher suddenly get onto this ...


dunno................but i want my acid

puhhh

pretty bears fly

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by jukka


SURE you have a nice hat :)
ohhhhh

you like my hat and shoulders?:-)

[phil]

i ended up in te local nut house for a month after having a psychotic episode, where everything was talking to be (the tv, newspaper,radio) it was like someone was trying to communicate to me. So thats were acid sent me.................cheers acid. You really opened my Gateways!!! you mean receptors. yes. and now i can't smoke weed. Why?? because THC makes me start tripping again, and thinking im the whole universe..it is beyond scary.

[wheezer]

@phil

I think I had that "whole universe" feeling once, fairly scary shit, that.

[old skool]

Originally posted by wheezer
@oldskool et al

if e's aren't doing their magic by themselves anymore, try hooking up with some 5-htp! ingest 30-60 minutes prior to ingesting the e(s), it'll boost the e's effects AND reduce the neurotoxicity of the e - works great!

Where can you get that from mate ? And where has Ketamine gotten to these days .... now that's losing the plot !!

Yeah ... Squarepusher .....anyway ....

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by old skool


Where can you get that from mate ? And where has Ketamine gotten to these days .... now that's losing the plot !!

Yeah ... Squarepusher .....anyway ....

hehehe...............dont give up.............


i believe in you............

[jukka]

Originally posted by Weishaupt

ohhhhh

you like my hat and shoulders?:-)

i like your whole body and the way you are thinking as well :)
surely a cOOl person

[wheezer]

hmm it's legal in most parts of europe still, you can order it from most smart/headshops in the internet without any problems if you have a credit card...you just gotta be careful with e's after that, for me 2 e's had me sitting "flat on my face", so to speak, after ingesting 5-htp...

dunno about the ketamine, I've come across that stuff on only a couple of rare occasions....

[jukka]

what is htp ?

[phil]

Bottom line, drugs are wack.

anyway Squarepushers new EP "From Behind" Is gonna be blazing!
u need to check out this pop tune he has freaked in such a unusual brutal manor, it's light years away from anything i have heard in a long while.

[wheezer]

5-htp or l-tryptophan:

erowid:
<a href="http://www.erowid.org/smarts/tryptophan/">http://www.erowid.org/smarts/tryptophan/</a>

for shops try just entering "5-htp" in google, there's a very wide selection...

it's pretty cool, coz the next day you actually feel well-rested, something I'd never thought I'd feel after a night out on e's...

[old skool]

I dunno but I'm started to get excited...

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by jukka


i like your whole body and the way you are thinking as well :)
surely a cOOl person

ohh.........

loving me, loving you..
AHARRRRRRR.................... ....

cheers.......now im looking to you foto right in front of my pc

[jukka]

what ??
you have a foto of me ??

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by jukka
what ??
you have a foto of me ??


yes........

awaysome snap of you.......shows you at the loveparade............

youre standing on the "bigBrother"-lkw......

uiiiii....................nize shirt,mate...........

[old skool]

Oooo hello sailor ....

That's nice. That two people who are into freaky wonky techno can find lurve on the world wide wonderful wiggly web ...

Should I buy a hat ?

[wheezer]

so wait, did the hat make jukka dance on the bigbrother loveparade truck?

[jukka]

Originally posted by Weishaupt



yes........

awaysome snap of you.......shows you at the loveparade............

youre standing on the "bigBrother"-lkw......

uiiiii....................nize shirt,mate...........
uh..you mean this one lol
guess i was wearing my "low spirit" shirt, wasn't i ??
:-p

[wheezer]

... or was it a kontor shirt?

[jukka]

Originally posted by old skool
Oooo hello sailor ....

That's nice. That two people who are into freaky wonky techno can find lurve on the world wide wonderful wiggly web ...

Should I buy a hat ?

YOU DEFINATELY SHOULD !!!!

a hat can make dreams come true..........and even making me dance on the BB truck :D

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by wheezer
so wait, did the hat make jukka dance on the bigbrother loveparade truck?

yes.its a acid hat

[jukka]

Originally posted by wheezer
... or was it a kontor shirt?
or was it the official loveparade shirt ??

which one was it mr. weis ??

[wheezer]

.. or perhaps a jürgen drews shirt? lol

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by phil
Bottom line, drugs are wack.

anyway Squarepushers new EP "From Behind" Is gonna be blazing!
u need to check out this pop tune he has freaked in such a unusual brutal manor, it's light years away from anything i have heard in a long while.

I've heard it. It's alright but it sounds a bit like Goldie.

Only gay.

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by jukka

or was it the official loveparade shirt ??

which one was it mr. weis ??


a b-side label shirt....a present of your friend hooligan......

"meat me at the loveparade"


jürgen is screaming

[barry2604]

phil, is it true that tom got the name squarepusher cos he used to deal acid? read that somewhere, sounds like a load of bollox, but you never know...and yeah, hallucinogens are for people who can handle the ridiculousness of being a fucking monkey on a rock in the middle of an infinite amount of fucking cold black space, or else who are too thick to realise that even whilst fried

[V Knid esq]

Squarepusher = pushing squares = cheesy quavers making boxes with their hands... innit? Probably means loads of things and nothing. Mostly it means "I'm gay" in Tongolese.

[old skool]

Hey, don't lump gayboypusher in with cheesy-quaver ravers.... I was one of them once... and in my drug befuddled mind I still am ....

[jukka]

uh..it was that hooligan loveshirt_____eha ;)

[phil]

Yeah peoplestill dont know what the fuck acid is, talking about visuals etc.. bullshit. I know what it is. and it's bullshit. its just makes u experience things in a RAW and INHUMAN way. it's bad news. Tom got Squarepusher from James Joyce "Ulysees" lover of women. who in tern got it from the Cabalists. but it's just a bandname.

[wheezer]

well phil how about we agree on that it seems to be bullshit for you, instead of it being bullshit in general..?

[barry2604]

yeah, i spotted that in ulysses, something like 'squarepushing up against the back door'.
acid is bad news for anyone who wants to avoid a Jesus complex/any number of other psychological hangups. but its also a good laugh sometimes

[Weishaupt]

i dont know what acid is...................

[phil]

Thats fine, it's just my opinion. It didnt show me some AMAZING truth to life. it just made me realise that on a low level everything is everything, your connected to me like i am connected to the sofa. That was not good to know. it was inhuman. damm acid to hell.

[Weishaupt]

no

it shows me nothing...........
no drug shows you something.............

[wheezer]

1000 points to the man from arakis

[Weishaupt]

cheers mate:-)

[phil]

everyone should do acid. but just once.

[Weishaupt]

hm...i heard...obelix fell into much acid, isnt it???

[wheezer]

today is clearly a recurring asterix&obelix theme day

[phil]

Has anyone here done DMT??

[Weishaupt]

hehehehe.........exacly....... ....

[wheezer]

I did 5meo-dmt, supposedly makes dmt look like peanutz, but not something I really plan on doing again any time soon hehe

[phil]

did u meet any entities etc?

[wheezer]

no, I took a small dose the first time, not knowing what to expect, really - lost control of my body (i.e. couldn't move at all) for about 10 minutes that seemed more like 3-4 days - didn't really matter though coz when I realized that I had lost control of my body I had already regained it - wild, like a freight train driving through your brain at 20 acidhits per hour...not really my cup of tea

[old skool]

I wanna try DMT. I used to love trippin' but after a couple of hours when you've peaked, I get really bored. Then things are REALLY dull after about 12 hours !!

What you need is madness for about 30 mins and then sleepy beepy dozy time ....

Or more madness.

Whatever you desire.

Ketamine's good like that cos it wears off after about an hour and then you can go meet your mum in church or whatever ....

[phil]

drugs are for cunts with no talent.

[Weishaupt]

...............reality is for the people, wich cant handle with drugs!

[phil]

drugs are for escapists who can't deal with reality because they have no skill.

[old skool]

I'm bored now.

We were talking about Squarepusher and how much Phil wants to snog him.

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by old skool
I'm bored now.

We were talking about Squarepusher and how much Phil wants to snog him.

take some acid!!!
harharhar..................... .

peeze:-)

[phil]

Toms the compton bomb. he's a one off no doubt. havn't met anyone like him before. it's like he says

"identity-cults can only be effectively generated from one dimensional personalities."

Pretty harsh, but true.

[old skool]

It sounds like he's 'the one' for you Phil.

That's two hats I'm gonna have to buy now ....

[wheezer]

so tom's a one dimensional personality then or why are you worshipping him? lol

[phil]

Personal identity must be entirely subjugated and rendered formless in order to have any sort of freedom in our era. poor wheezer.

[wheezer]

doesn't that statement strike you as odd, considering that you're discussing personality over a network of networks with somebody that calls himself wheezer and has a pair of neon tetras mating for an avatar?

[phil]

thats the joke you moogle

[wheezer]

ah I'm still adapting to what you brits refer to as "humor", while I do that please mark all funny statements with large smileys, old skool has done a good job in that respect =)

[Weishaupt]

hehehe...........
well, the english and the german humor is very very different

[wheezer]

what german humor? lol

[phil]

The germans put their towels on the sun loungers the night before.

[Weishaupt]

hehehe...ok ok......we germans have no humor....:-)

[wheezer]

Originally posted by phil
The germans put their towels on the sun loungers the night before.

the scary part is that this statement holds under pretty much any circumstances...

[jukka]

also we are always in a bad mood ----------moody and capricious !!

lol

[wheezer]

wear lederhosen, eat sauerkraut, listen to scorpions...

[jukka]

wind of change______and drink beer all the day___

[Weishaupt]

and march into other lands........harharhar........

ups...........humor........... .

[m j]

hm.... i like this guy.... last double cd by squerepusher is good thing! i want it.... so....

[decadnids]

Originally posted by phil
Thats fine, it's just my opinion. It didnt show me some AMAZING truth to life. it just made me realise that on a low level everything is everything, your connected to me like i am connected to the sofa. That was not good to know. it was inhuman. damm acid to hell.

or as a lot of the mystics say, the intrinsic truth behind reality.

if it is true, indeed, that everything is connected, and you have experienced this (for I have experienced this many times on different mind altering chemicals), then how can this be INHUMAN? surely it shows that the human condition of avoiding the issues, and trying to hide behind our monkey minds is the truelly scary thing?

phil, I have had some serious experiences on acid, and I can not blame a chemical for what happened, it was all down to me and my mind state at the time. You have to treat these things with respect of they will come and fuck you over - your mind is the most powerful thing that you have in your possesion, any miss-use and the mind will hit you back twice, three times as hard.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by phil
Has anyone here done DMT??

Yes I have done DMT - and I would advice, that if ACID was too much for you to stay away from all psycho-active chemicals.

I have done DMT on several occasions - the first time being the most full on experience I have ever had. Being a veteran acid user, I thought that I knew all that could be known about psych-active chemicals and what they do to the mind, but DMT was a whole different ball game.

I met my maker.....

[decadnids]

Originally posted by phil
drugs are for escapists who can't deal with reality because they have no skill.

This is always a weird argument, how can taking a drug help you escape reality, when you and the drug you are taking are part of the reality that you are in. I disagree with that, taking drugs is no escape from reality.

[deccard]

there is use and abuse.
u can read nietzsche (or masturbate in your studio) 24h a day to avoid facing your life.

acid is nothing for me. my mind is trippy enough.
the experience of being connected to everything can be made without acid.
c.g. jung once said:" drugs are a present we haven´t earned" or something like that.

does anybody know this cd "space time continuum feat terrence mckenna"?
he discribes his first dmt experience. very funny story.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by deccard
there is use and abuse.
u can read nietzsche (or masturbate in your studio) 24h a day to avoid facing your life.

acid is nothing for me. my mind is trippy enough.
the experience of being connected to everything can be made without acid.
c.g. jung once said:" drugs are a present we haven´t earned" or something like that.

does anybody know this cd "space time continuum feat terrence mckenna"?
he discribes his first dmt experience. very funny story.

Yeah heard that.

Yes the experience of connected to everything can be made without drugs (hence the mystical writings of all religions).

jung states "drugs are a present we havn't earned" but there are pockets of humanity that it is their god given right to take psycho-active chemicals as part of their beliefs. a chemical that alters the mind, to me, is no different to a food source that you eat.

ofcourse abuse and use is two different things....

[alex cortex]

reading hint for those interested in acid and ketamin

john c. lilly - the scientist

[JE:5]

Has anyone read Archaic Revival by Terrence Mckenna? It's a quality read.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by alex cortex
reading hint for those interested in acid and ketamin

john c. lilly - the scientist

centre of the cyclon is good - as is programming and metaprogramming the human bio-computer

visit
www.johnclilly.com (http://www.johnclilly.com)

loads of cool stuff.

[JE:5]

John Lilley, Sensory depravation and talking to Dolphins!
Apparently he complety lost the plot after taking Ketamine for months non-stop, telling people that machines were plotting to take over the world.

[wheezer]

I quite enjoyed "LSD and the American Dream" by Jay Stevens - don't be fooled by the sensationalist title, it's a pretty fascinating read about how our culture was changed by Hoffmann's discovery

[decadnids]

Originally posted by JE:5
John Lilley, Sensory depravation and talking to Dolphins!
Apparently he complety lost the plot after taking Ketamine for months non-stop, telling people that machines were plotting to take over the world.


funny you should mention that, as it isn't that much of a difference between what he said and the plot in the matrix...

I had a friend who (tragically is dead now) when taking DMT, had a full blown experience of waking in one of those pods like in the matrix etc.

also had a friend who got abducted by aliens (during a dmt trip).... he couldn't believe it so did dmt again and the aliens abducted him again.

[V Knid esq]

McKenna is endlessly entertaining but he is a snake-oil salesman - he's like one of those shyster travelling preachers in the deep south who does laying-on of hands etc. Brilliant entertainment, but philosophically VERY suspect.

LSD and the american dream is quite a good book, but you should not read it without reading "Turn Off Your Mind" by Gary Valentine Lachman, which tells you the stuff the other book misses out - some of the basic fallacies and nasty structures on which the 60s dream was constructed.

[wheezer]

nice one, v knid, I'll keep a lookout for that book then!

[V Knid esq]

Gary Lachman was the bass player in Blondie and a member of the Ordo Templi Orientis amongst other things.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
McKenna is endlessly entertaining but he is a snake-oil salesman - he's like one of those shyster travelling preachers in the deep south who does laying-on of hands etc. Brilliant entertainment, but philosophically VERY suspect.


tis true, most of his writing has no "real" evidence, his best book is probably true hallucinations, as that just deals with the time him and his brother where in the amazon doing loads of shrooms, and his brother ended up crazy.

most of the 60's counter culture was all based on well off people, having the money and the resources to get loaded...

[V Knid esq]

I went to amsterdam for a hallucinogen conference and drank Ayahasca, which is the mythical Yage which McKenna, Ginsberg etc went in search of.

It was... interesting...

[deccard]

i read if your body isn´t cleaned you gonna shit and vomit for hours :)
interesting :)

[decadnids]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
I went to amsterdam for a hallucinogen conference and drank Ayahasca, which is the mythical Yage which McKenna, Ginsberg etc went in search of.

It was... interesting...

Personally, (I have done dmt, not yage), I feel that substances like that should be done in the correct situation.

what was it like?

I reckon that doing it in a shamanistic, ritualistic way in the home lands of the people who believe will be a hell of a lot more fruitful than doing it out of their culture (just my 2 pence worth).

[phil]

i believe drugs are for twats.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by phil
i believe drugs are for twats.

what are your reasonings?

personally, I only smoke ganja these days, and keep clear from other drugs.

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by phil
i believe drugs are for twats.

opfer!

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by deccard
i read if your body isn´t cleaned you gonna shit and vomit for hours :)
interesting :)

you can clean yourself by drinking the powerful anti-oxident 'methe' or fenugreek seeds: just make a tea with them..one for each cup, and one for the pot. it was used by harem women in the middle east, so i am told. u will smell slightly spicy whilst drinking this tea. i've tried it.

[wheezer]

I thought the harem women drank fenugreek because it was supposed to increase bust size? :illin:

5meo-dmt is definitely not something you smoke while waiting for the bus, and I'd wager the same goes for dmt...

[invisibleplanet]

i don't know anything about dmt.

i've tried yohimbe. it's bark.

i didn't notice an increase in bust size!!! ;)

[decadnids]

Originally posted by wheezer
I thought the harem women drank fenugreek because it was supposed to increase bust size? :illin:

5meo-dmt is definitely not something you smoke while waiting for the bus, and I'd wager the same goes for dmt...

no - I have tried both 5meo-dmt and also nn-dmt.
and correct, its not a thing you do to "waste time" or to escape reality.

[old skool]

Originally posted by decadnids


no - I have tried both 5meo-dmt and also nn-dmt.
and correct, its not a thing you do to "waste time" or to escape reality.

Where are you finding all this to try ? I'm up here in Liverpool which is supposed to be one THE drug producing locations in the UK and its really hard to get hold of anything apart from the usual really ...

Talk about getting bored ....

[deccard]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
i don't know anything about dmt.

i've tried yohimbe. it's bark.

i didn't notice an increase in bust size!!! ;)

yohimbe? i tried it and it is very soft. more hm sexual.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by old skool


Where are you finding all this to try ? I'm up here in Liverpool which is supposed to be one THE drug producing locations in the UK and its really hard to get hold of anything apart from the usual really ...

Talk about getting bored ....

No offence mate, Liverpool might be a good source of crack and smack....

I live down in brighton and there are plenty of hippies down here with the goods. you can pretty much get anything down here.

[wheezer]

Originally posted by decadnids
[B]
No offence mate, Liverpool might be a good source of crack and smack....


you should be partying ol' dirty bastard style old skool :-p

[deccard]

Originally posted by old skool


Where are you finding all this to try ? I'm up here in Liverpool which is supposed to be one THE drug producing locations in the UK and its really hard to get hold of anything apart from the usual really ...

Talk about getting bored ....

what about taking a hammer or a big stone. you just gotta hit the right energy points lol

aren´t there any mailordershops for some special stuff in uk? should be.

[old skool]

Originally posted by decadnids


No offence mate, Liverpool might be a good source of crack and smack....

I live down in brighton and there are plenty of hippies down here with the goods. you can pretty much get anything down here.

No offence taken mate. Liverpool's good for cheap pills/coke and the occasional batch of acid but that's about it.

And judging by the state of the smackheads around here, I think I'll pass that one up...

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by decadnids


Personally, (I have done dmt, not yage), I feel that substances like that should be done in the correct situation.

what was it like?

I reckon that doing it in a shamanistic, ritualistic way in the home lands of the people who believe will be a hell of a lot more fruitful than doing it out of their culture (just my 2 pence worth).

Differently fruitful, not more fruitful, I'd say. I did it in a ritual with a Shuar shaman from Ecuador and about 30 other people. I'd say that the only real benefit I got from the ritual circumstance was that the priest kew when to make a sound, play music or whatever, to draw our attention back to the outside world, so that we could keep a grip on what was happening internally. I'm sure that doing it out in the forest would be a mindblowing, wonderful and terrifying thing, but I also reckon that unless you're going to fuck off to the amazon and live there for the rest of your life, it's just as relevant to do it at home in an urban environment, and learn the lessons it gives you about OUR society and ways of forming our subjectivity etc.

In answer to Deccard/Old Skool - yes there are plenty of mail order services in the uk that sell Salvia Divinorum (now THERE's an interesting one!!), mexican mushroom kits, peyote, san pedro cactii, Iboga etc. Check the ads in the back of Bizarre magazine as a starting point, also check http://www.erowid.org/index.shtml (which is very hippy) and http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/ (which isn't!)

Decadnids and others in or near brighton - go and check Hippy Pete's "Manic Organic" stall on the London Road market... he sells all the above and more, and despite his bumbling and raggedy dreads is very smart and clued-up - tons better than that twatty Guarana Bar in the N Lanes.

nah - drugs are gay, really.

[carbonizedeyesockets]

theres a time and a place and all that, so how about next saturday i get some bark and seeds then we hit Brannigans and the Event..don't worry i'll lend you a ben sherman..

[V Knid esq]

Hahaha "Hi baby I am the high priest of Akgaghhhanaggghhhaghhhzz and my legs are anacondas. Can I buy you a Barcadi Breezer?"

[V Knid esq]

p.s. I have my own Ben Sherman thanks.

[deccard]

we have a very nice mailorder shop in germany/berlin http://www.elexier.de

but this hard stuff is nothing for me. i prefered mushrooms to acid but the last time i took mushrooms i couldn´t relax and free my mind of those millions of thoughts i had to think.

[alex cortex]

We expect that the next word, for example, will be different from the previous words. When we are exposed to a constantly repeating set of signals, our brain operates in such a way as to generate alternates to the constantly repeated set of signals according to certain computational rules. (john c. lilly)


btw: anyone here has isolation tank experience?

[carbonizedeyesockets]

I saw Salt Tank at a Megadog once .They weren't really very good.

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by deccard
we have a very nice mailorder shop in germany/berlin http://www.elexier.de

but this hard stuff is nothing for me. i prefered mushrooms to acid but the last time i took mushrooms i couldn´t relax and free my mind of those millions of thoughts i had to think.

Try heroin then.

[phil]

better yet a packet of wotsits.

[V Knid esq]

or a wank.

[phil]

Deccard, next time you have a million thoughts at the same time. Why don't you open Photoshop, and translate them to one of your "ahead of your time" peices. ??

[deccard]

phil why you always have to behave like an arrogant gay dumbass on this board?
please remove that stick out of your ass.
thanks.

[actionjetzon]

philie "the trouble" -t is just a gangster :D 8-()

[deccard]

gangster = dummproll oder vollspasst?
you mean he always get´s his ass in trouble because of his big mouth?

[actionjetzon]

i think he just like the gangster image

[deccard]

maybe he should switch to a teletubbie image.

[phil]

Deccard, y soo angry u silly sausage.

[deccard]

i envy you. wanna get my ass whiped 24h a day too.

[invisibleplanet]

phil 'post-bumper' T

you aren't a good advert for your friend, squarepusher.
don't insult the good people of this board anymore - you're an 'open gob before engaging brain' kind of person and I am officially putting u on ignore.

[Weishaupt]

vollspasst...................m uhahahahahahaa

Opfer..............volles Rohr............!

dont say to me ignorant!

[phil]

Insult? what are writing about? "Silly sausage" is hardly an insult.

[pille'ocheoni]

what does this ignore mean?>you dont see the person's post?

[invisibleplanet]

yes pille' - the artist formerly known as 'phil' is now not present on the board, and I don't have to read his inane posts anymore, or his thoughtless insults to other erutufon members.

[deccard]

phil you have some serious social intelligence lack. makes it hard to take you serious.
you shouldn´t spend so much time with poohead the rabbit.

[pille'ocheoni]

ah ok......cool feature...........

[barry2604]

i think phil's a laugh, his 'insults' regularly have me in stitches...

[V Knid esq]

I like Phil - long may he rant.

[pille'ocheoni]

i have learned to enjoy his response's also.

[deccard]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
I like Phil - long may he rant.

why? are u sharing bee-lingerie? :!

[Lady E]

i didnt know there was an ignore function...if only i had that in real life too.

its a good solution if you are getting pissed off with anyone i guess.

[deccard]

i need a hug now

[pille'ocheoni]

me too

[phil]

poo head and shaun told me to give you a Capri Sun.

[pille'ocheoni]

i love those little things. but their so little:(

[invisibleplanet]

*knuddel* for deccard, and *cuddle* for pille'

feeling better?

[pille'ocheoni]

yeah thanks...........g*

[deccard]

mh yeah thank you ip *g*

[deccard]

Originally posted by phil
poo head and shaun told me to give you a Capri Sun.

hm nah thanks but i need a handjob.

[V Knid esq]

Sunny Delight all round! Let's have a hyperactivity party!

[Lady E]

and they all lived happily ever after...

[Weishaupt]

the end

i would never give you a Capri Sun! Ever! hahahahahahah

[pille'ocheoni]

heheheh.........whats the one with the little sail boat on it. friut punch?>