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V Knid esq
2nd April 2006, 18:53
my mate calls the Independent 'The Daily Mail for people who recycle' and it's true... their 'YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE' fear factor 99 front pages are just getting really annoying now.

The front page of today's Sunday Indy has really got my goat - it's the worst sort of panic mongering re access to cancer drugs - you know, 'why are they witholding these miracle drugs from poor victims of cancer' etc etc. The NHS has enough problems without stirring up this bullshit.

Here's the thing: in the case of Herceptin at least, the fact that some health authorities won't prescibe it is less to do with penny-pinching or bureaucratic botches and more to do with the fact that it's extremely debatable whether it's worth prescibing. The figure is often bandied about that the drug reduces recurrence of breast cancer by 50%. Well... that's ONE way of putting it. As New Scientist puts it 'appreciating the drug's true benefit means understanding relative and absolute risk.' Basically, the cancers treatable with herceptin - ones which are detected early - have a very low recurrence rate anyway after lumpectomy, even with no drug treatment at all, so a 50% risk reduction is basically 50% of f*ck all... and in terms of actual death from cancer, trial patients treated with Herceptin had NOUGHT POINT SIX percent fewer deaths. On top of that, the drug causes heart problems in 4% of people who take it. And of course it is hugely expensive - money which could be spent on, ooh I don't know, making sure more cancers are detected early perhaps?

Sorry to rant but bad science reporting REALLY boils my piss. If they were the 'independent thinkers' they so proudly announce themselves as they'd be looking at the drug industry's part in hyping these drugs and cynically playing with the hopes and expectations of vulnerable patients in pursuit of a buck, and not lazily repeating the party line that seems for some reason to be sacred and beyond scrutiny for the entire media.

Sheridan
2nd April 2006, 18:58
my mate calls the Independent 'The Daily Mail for people who recycle' and it's true... their 'YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE' fear factor 99 front pages are just getting really annoying now.


we live in a culture of fear.
the states news reporting is totally rife with it.

V Knid esq
2nd April 2006, 19:02
They're so smug about it though... if you're not familiar with the Independent, it's one of the more left/liberal papers here, proud of not being owned by one of the big media conglomerates, and USED to be the one with the best, soberest news reporting... Now they actually seem smugly PROUD of plastering bad science and unsubstantiated claims about global warming, the collapse of western civilisation etc etc all over their front pages, like they think this is going to make everyone suddenly go 'woah! like i never realised things were so bad - hey people, we'd better get together and sort this world out'

thepigjockey
2nd April 2006, 19:32
I think a lot of newspapers are very slanted and I dunno what anyone can do to fix it...The Guardian really pissed me off, I remember them doing positive coverage on all the anti-war stuff which was encouraging, then when the war started there was a fucking huge pic of a Tornado jet on the front with some jingoistic bollocks underneath it :(

Having said that I would still read it and regularly look at their webpages 'cos I prefer it to a lot of others.

Martin23
2nd April 2006, 20:22
Reminds me of a student magazine Joe

JonnySpeed
2nd April 2006, 20:22
they are all pretty good and bad in different ways. The one I really can't stomach is the Torygraphs news editorial - re-enforces bigotted posh peoples opinions about the world.

I'm not a volient man but Jon Gaunt is scum that needs stabbing...
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/pipexdsl/r/arar93/mds975/Images/radios/jongaunt.jpeg

V Knid esq
2nd April 2006, 21:10
yeah... tbh I'm finding it harder and harder to justify working for the T these days, ever since they printed - without any comment - a letter calling Moseley a 'great patriot'... :( :(

ckpqerjwrpwp
2nd April 2006, 21:50
- a letter calling Moseley a 'great patriot'... :( :(

Jesus.

The Independent probably is the newspaper that most closely follows my general outlook than any other newspaper.. thats why I generally avoid it more than any other newspaper.. all of which I avoid where i can...

V Knid esq
2nd April 2006, 22:16
Hmmm, the Guardian might be smug and annoying but their April Fool was actually pretty good... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1744447,00.html

spoon
2nd April 2006, 22:33
the independent is owned by a complete twat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_O%27Reilly

Loz
2nd April 2006, 23:05
Hmmm, the Guardian might be smug and annoying but their April Fool was actually pretty good... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1744447,00.html


that's great. if it wasn't for the badly photoshopped picture, I'd be prepared to believe that.

notorious J.I.M
2nd April 2006, 23:37
that's great. if it wasn't for the badly photoshopped picture, I'd be prepared to believe that.

The lyrics are a bit of a give away too.

Oh brother, I can't, I can't get through,
I've been trying hard to reach you, cause I like the stuff you do,
Oh brother, I can't believe its true,
I'm turning Tory Dave, and my dad says talk to you,
Oh I wanna talk to you.

It was the Converse trainers that did it for me,
I got them in orange, wait till you see,
That's what smashed my illusions about Tony Blair,
His shoes, his suits, his terrible hair,
Gwynnie says his views are very unfair.

Oh brother, I can't, I can't get through,
I've been trying hard to reach you, cause I like the stuff you do,
Oh brother, I can't believe its true,
I'm turning Tory Dave, and my dad says talk to you,
Oh I wanna talk to you.

It was the Converse trainers that did it for me,
I got them in orange, wait till you see,
That's what smashed my illusions about Tony Blair,
His shoes, his suits, his terrible hair,
Gwynnie says his views are very unfair.

Are you looking for a star?
Could you use a caring vegan who knows all about fair trade?
Tell me what you think?
Well I can offer something you will not get from St Bob,
In terms of free publicity.

It was your lack of emissions that did if for me,
Though you need a bike helmet, I think you'll agree,
I know that Sherborne's not Eton, the fees aren't that high,
But it's better than Fettes, we'll see eye to eye,
With my help, you will be Britain's head boy
With me, you will be Britain's head boy.

I got all these good intentions, I want to talk,
But I can't get close to Tony cause he took us to war,
I'm turning Tory Dave, don't wanna be ignored,
Do they sell fair trade bananas in Notting Hill?
Let's talk ...