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c s
28th January 2003, 17:51
Major part Britannia
The drink and-Drugs European champions
Of Michael Sontheimer, London

The brits are European champions of consuming illegal drugs. However, the experts don't why -- or hold the rotten weather responsible for it know so properly this has tradition.



London -- prince Harry, the number three at the line of succession in the United Kingdom, was 16 just when he smoked his first marijuana joints together with friends in the paternal castle Highgrove last year. It "Harry Pothead" didn't drift in the comparison with other adoleszenten offspring of the Royals particularly wildly as, since then, he is mentioned with pleasure. Harry's cousin Nicholas Knatchbull, a godson of prince Charles, already spent quite a number of weeks in an American drug clinic; lively and "the honorable one" Lord Frederick Windsor, a cousin of the Queen, schnupfte on London in-people parties cocaine.
It isn't only relatives of your majesty Elisabeth II who are closed on the island of illegal intoxicants, though. Also many of its subjects prefer not always to see the world rationally. The brits hold the title of the European champions of the consumption of drugs of every kind as the EU agency stated for drugs in Lisbon.


29 per cent of all pupils have therefore already tried cannabis on the island before their 16th birthday. And while 3.7 per cent of all teenagers have approximately swallowed Ecstasy in Germany before, it is more than three times so many in Great Britain.
The taking of hard drugs on a massive scale is more dubious. The London super model Naomi Campbell schnupfte attached this one "anonymous Narkotikern" for for years white powder before her himself. Two prominent television presenters got rid of their jobs after popular dailies had them as Kokser geoutet for straight.
The brits are ahead not only at the still far common stimulating amphetamines but also the hardest illegal drugs, the opiates: A third of the heroin confiscated in the complete EU became guaranteed on the island.
On a lax attitude of police and justice it cannot be blamed, that the drug consumption has become for the popular sport on the island. "The Londoner specialized in drugs crimes says, in comparison with the Netherlands ", " to defense counsel Paul Crampin the punishments are draconian in this country."



Spare in the "Swinging London" for the sixties the Cops couldn't prevent with their raids with rock stars like Mick Jagger or Paul McCartney that illegal drugs which the complete British society in turn stamped became to the essential component of a pop culture.

Brandon Cox of the London research institute ""makes DrugScope our proximity" America responsibly for the common drug consumption besides the dominance of the pop culture". Producer countries have -- Colombia with cocaine or Pakistan with heroin -- heavy problems in the meantime, too, but at the drugs consumption the Yanks have been leading worldwide by far for a long time.

The inheritance of the Protestant Puritanisms also puts the brits through to them. She seems particularly susceptibly to enthemmende substances to make a classic element of their national character, the stiff upper lip. "The Argentine living in London means Maria Quevedo that way for Ecstasy which has seen the beginnings of the rave and club scene ", " the ideal drug is for the inhibited Englishmen."


While there isn't any scientific evidence for such cultural explanation tests till now lets himself trouble a hypothesis which can be founded even statistically: the weather. What shall one do also if the inhospitably wet beats one climate on the mind over months? Obviously many brits try to meet the adverse circumstances with "drinks and drugs".

The weather hypothesis of the Irishmen on whose island it still rains more is supported, and which have made a name for himself as toughest competitors of the brits in the competition around the title of the drug European champion. The Scandinavians beaten with long, dark winters also lie at the poison pleasure over the EU cut.

"The further to the north one comes ", addiction expert John Marsden confirms that one of the Londoners, " all the more distinctive the consumption of drugs and by the way also incest is indeed."
"We don't know any studies for the question why the brits so much take drugs", says Thomas Pietschmann of the research department of the Uno agency admittedly for drug control. The only sound hypothesis would arise if one took the income differences into consideration. "The gap between poor and rich men is nowhere in Europe namely ", as big as in Great Britain so Pietschmann, "." The brits indeed allow themselves a chances and ambition loose subclass which doesn't see any right reason to remain rational.
One probably doesn't have to worry about the drug friends of the royal family unlike these crack and heroin of smoking ghetto kid. Already queen Victoria has demonstrated, that the office of the head of state can be agreed with moderate drug pleasure wonderfully over decades. The great-grandmother of the Queen herself allowed regularly Cannabisöl or a small glass of laudanum, a mixture popular in the 19th century out of alcohol and opium.

(automatic translation)



GROSSBRITANNIEN

Die Drinks-and- Drugs-Europameister
Von Michael Sontheimer, London
Die Briten sind Europameister im Konsumieren illegaler Drogen. Das hat Tradition, aber die Experten wissen nicht so recht warum - oder machen das miese Wetter dafür verantwortlich.


London - Prinz Harry, die Nummer drei bei der Thronfolge im Vereinigten Königreich, war gerade mal 16, als er vergangenes Jahr zusammen mit Freunden im väterlichen Schloss Highgrove seine ersten Marihuana-Joints rauchte. Dabei trieb es "Harry Pothead", wie er seitdem gerne genannt wird, im Vergleich mit anderen adoleszenten Sprösslingen der Royals nicht mal sonderlich wild. Harrys Vetter Nicholas Knatchbull, ein Patensohn von Prinz Charles, verbrachte bereits etliche Wochen in einer amerikanischen Drogenklinik; und "Der Ehrenwerte" Lord Frederick Windsor, ein Cousin der Queen, schnupfte auf Londoner Schickeria-Partys munter Kokain.
Es sind allerdings nicht nur Verwandte Ihrer Majestät Elisabeth II, die auf der Insel illegalen Rauschmitteln zugetan sind. Auch viele ihrer Untertanen ziehen es vor, die Welt nicht immer nüchtern zu sehen. Die Briten halten - wie die EU-Agentur für Drogen in Lissabon feststellte - den Titel der Europameister im Konsum von Rauschgiften aller Art.



Demnach haben 29 Prozent aller Schüler auf der Insel vor ihrem 16. Geburtstag bereits Cannabis probiert. Und während etwa in Deutschland 3,7 Prozent aller Jugendlichen schon mal Ecstasy geschluckt haben, sind es in Großbritannien mehr als dreimal so viel.
Bedenklicher ist der massenhafte Genuss harter Drogen. Das Londoner Super-Model Naomi Campbell schnupfte jahrelang weißes Pulver, bevor sie sich den "Anonymen Narkotikern" anschloss. Gerade wurden zwei prominente Fernsehmoderatoren ihre Jobs los, nachdem Boulevardblätter sie als Kokser geoutet hatten.
Nicht nur bei den noch weiter verbreiteten aufputschenden Amphetaminen, sondern auch den härtesten illegalen Drogen, den Opiaten, sind die Briten vorneweg: Ein Drittel des in der gesamten EU beschlagnahmten Heroins wurden auf der Insel sichergestellt.
Auf eine laxe Einstellung von Polizei und Justiz lässt es sich nicht schieben, dass der Drogenkonsum auf der Insel zum Volkssport geworden ist. "Im Vergleich zu den Niederlanden", sagt der auf Rauschgiftdelikte spezialisierte Londoner Strafverteidiger Paul Crampin, "sind die Strafen hier zu Lande drakonisch."

Doch schon im "Swinging London" der sechziger Jahren konnten die Cops mit ihren Razzien bei Rockstars wie Mick Jagger oder Paul McCartney nicht verhindern, dass illegale Drogen zum essenziellen Bestandteil einer Popkultur wurden, die wiederum die gesamte britische Gesellschaft prägte.
Brandon Cox von der Londoner Forschungsstelle "DrugScope" macht neben der Dominanz der Popkultur "unsere Nähe zu Amerika" für den verbreiteten Drogenkonsum verantwortlich. Zwar haben inzwischen auch Produzenten-Länder - Kolumbien mit Kokain oder Pakistan mit Heroin - massive Probleme, doch weltweit führend beim Rauschgiftkonsum sind mit Abstand seit langem die Amis.
Mit ihnen verbindet die Briten auch das Erbe des protestantischen Puritanisms. Ein klassisches Element ihres Nationalcharakters, die steife Oberlippe, scheint sie besonders empfänglich für enthemmende Substanzen zu machen. "Ecstasy", so meint die in London lebende Argentinierin Maria Quevedo, die die Anfänge der Rave- und Club-Szene miterlebt hat, "ist die ideale Droge für die verklemmten Engländer."


Während es für solche kulturellen Erklärungsversuche bislang keine wissenschaftliche Evidenz gibt, lässt sich eine Hypothese bemühen, die sich sogar statistisch fundieren lässt: das Wetter. Was soll man auch tun, wenn einem über Monate das unwirtlich nasse Klima aufs Gemüt schlägt? Viele Briten versuchen den widrigen Lebensumständen offensichtlich mit "drinks and drugs" zu begegnen.
Gestützt wird die Wetterhypothese von den Iren, auf deren Insel es noch mehr regnet - und die sich im Wettstreit um den Titel des Drogen-Europameisters als härteste Konkurrenten der Briten profiliert haben. Auch die mit langen, dunklen Wintern geschlagenen Skandinavier liegen beim Giftgenuss über dem EU-Schnitt.
"Je weiter man nach Norden kommt", bestätigt das der Londoner Suchtexperte John Marsden, "umso ausgeprägter ist in der Tat der Konsum von Drogen - und übrigens auch Inzest."
"Wir kennen keine Studien zur Frage, warum die Briten so viel Drogen nehmen", sagt freilich Thomas Pietschmann von der Forschungsabteilung der Uno-Agentur für Drogenkontrolle. Die einzige fundierte Hypothese ergäbe sich, wenn man die Einkommensunterschiede in Betracht zöge. "Nirgendwo in Europa nämlich", so Pietschmann, "ist die Kluft zwischen Armen und Reichen so groß wie in Großbritannien." In der Tat leisten sich die Briten eine chancen- und ambitionslose Unterklasse, die keinen rechten Grund sieht, nüchtern zu bleiben.
Im Gegensatz zu diesen Crack und Heroin rauchenden Ghettokids muss man sich um die Drogenfreunde der königlichen Familie wohl keine Sorgen machen. Bereits Königin Victoria hat vorexerziert, dass sich das Amt des Staatsoberhaupts über Jahrzehnte wunderbar mit moderatem Drogengenuss vereinbaren lässt. Die Urgroßmutter der Queen gönnte sich regelmäßig Cannabisöl oder ein Gläschen Laudanum - eine im 19. Jahrhundert populäre Mixtur aus Alkohol und Opium.


http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,232652,00.html

Weishaupt
28th January 2003, 17:53
hahahahaha.............
i read this in the"spiegel".............
i thougt about to post this............
very very funny.........................

dirtyho
28th January 2003, 17:59
I think the brits are the biggest caners, all the europeans I've met seem to agree. I think we also swear the most but that could be because I don't understand other countries swear words so well ;)

invisibleplanet
28th January 2003, 18:06
kuhl artikel

i think it is BRIT attitude...
i am alreadt accused of being racist towards brits by calling them the most violent of european races in another forum.

i think there is little hope for brits as the education is so terrible - school is a place to send your children to be bullied, assaulted...the bad teachers outweigh the good, and few really know how to communicate with children. they use old-skool draconian phrases, and damage the child's mind with their screwed-up meems.

i think brits need better more holistic education.
less draconian punishments and more conscience raising exercises.
good social and sexual education alongside their peers.

methinks more fun sex means less likelihood of turning to drugs..

pille'ocheoni
28th January 2003, 18:09
doesnt every country for that matter|hollistic education i mean.sex is good, but hey population is another issue all together. no more people please!

dirtyho
28th January 2003, 18:12
Yeah IP, also in england it's cool to act dumb at school even if you're clever. I was talking to a frech kid who said the girls at his school liked the "clever" boys. I sure don't remember that shit! Naughty boys were definitely the cool ones. But 'cos of that I got no A-Levels ;)

wheezer
28th January 2003, 18:59
Originally posted by c s
The Scandinavians beaten with long, dark winters also lie at the poison pleasure over the EU cut.

"The further to the north one comes ", addiction expert John Marsden confirms that one of the Londoners, " all the more distinctive the consumption of drugs and by the way also incest is indeed."

*LOOOOOL*

grobelaar
28th January 2003, 19:01
The UK is a funny place, we seem to have this strange culture of pushing everything to the limits, or as I call it - the squeeze - which seems capable of producing the best and the worst of most circumstances.

For example we have leading, art, film, advertising industries, but we also have dreadful inner city decay. I think the UK offers opportunities, but you really have to go and get them...

Education suks... every govt talks of revolutionary new systems - but the fact remains education rests with the educators and there's very little incentive in the UK to take an active role in Education, certainly not at a school level...

c s
28th January 2003, 19:12
Originally posted by wheezer
*LOOOOOL*

so it's true? what's going on up there? lol

wheezer
28th January 2003, 19:14
yeh well I already wrote something about that incest dealie hehe - well first off Helsinki isn't so bad off, but some parts of Finland had e.g. -43 degrees celsius on new years, and I can imagine that that gets to you after a while... I certainly know why I stay clear of the northern parts :D

dirtyho
28th January 2003, 19:20
Yeah we have cutting edge cultural formations in the UK (music, street fashion, film/video etc) - but shitty unfair social formations. I always look at scandinavia and think their society is so much more egalitarian that ours, they have social services we can only dream of - but would I want to grow up there? I hated school - didn't want to learn. Now I cant get enough of learning - is that the system - or just me being immature?

Sheridan
28th January 2003, 19:37
I can see why the uk can lead in drug consumption. when I was there I drank every night.
but the states also has a voracious appetite for the drugs and drink. and we have a far superior weather pattern. so what then is the connection?

c s
28th January 2003, 19:39
Originally posted by wheezer
I certainly know why I stay clear of the northern parts :D

i heard there are also ghosts, like in iceland... ;)

grobelaar
28th January 2003, 20:57
Originally posted by Sheridan
I can see why the uk can lead in drug consumption. when I was there I drank every night.
but the states also has a voracious appetite for the drugs and drink. and we have a far superior weather pattern. so what then is the connection?

Supply and Demand...

Scandinavians would cane drugs too, but their wooly left wing socialist govts won't let them have any - ha ha :-)

Irrungenwirrungen
28th January 2003, 21:21
Originally posted by invisibleplanet
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..the bad teachers outweigh the good, and few really know how to communicate with children.


Thats a bit harsh, Invisible! I agree that there are quite a few bad teachers,but the sole reason that most teachers can't deliver in classrooms is nothing to do with communication skills on their part- its the endless paperwork which they have to do- which is knackering.

pille'ocheoni
28th January 2003, 21:30
sounds fun

invisibleplanet
28th January 2003, 21:40
i'm sorry , Irrungen :( i don't mean for you to be offended here.

I mean mainly in the infant and junior levels....not the secondary levels where the children are treated with greater respect.

I know they are only human, but I believe there needs to be strict guidelines for how far the adult may go in mental or verbal abuse of a child. It's not a good model for young children, who don't realise the teacher sets a bad example. The trouble here is that each child in each school has been subjected to at least one bad teacher with this communication problem.


many of my friends are good teachers, and I have heard such tales about the bad ones.

Irrungenwirrungen
29th January 2003, 08:47
Don't worry- no offence was taken. I just think that it was a bit of a generalisation and I don't think that any tier of the education system can be labelled as being better or worse than the others. I actually think that a lot of communication problems lie not with bad teachers (but yes there are quite a few of them), but more with the wider dysfunctional society which we live in. Of course, the business regarding how far teachers should be allowed to physically or mentally push a child is a concern, but to be honest I think that it was much more of a concern 20 years ago, when teachers actually were quite brutal. Most today are soft, because they recognise the importance of communicative skills which all students need to possess to be successful in the future.

bitch one
29th January 2003, 10:07
scots are nervous and suspicious until we get drunk when we become very friendly and piss in your fountains wearing see you jimmy hats and kilts and showing you our willies.

Lady E
29th January 2003, 10:47
i disagree about the education system in this country
its underfunded (thatch's and major's legacy) but its pretty rigorous, more so than the american system, and it allows for more individuality than the french system.
look this is a country of massive contradiictions, with huge problems but SO IS EVERYWHERE ELSE.
drug culture has been a massive part of the UK indentity for hundreds of years chocolate, tobacco, opium,cocaine, gin...it isnt news from elizabeth to victoria to elizabeth II people in this country have been conspicous consumers ever since they were first given the chance...in fact the recent Empire series links this desire to consume on the part of the UK public to the proliferation of the british empire.
so why should that change? its ingrained.

there are terrible, awful inequalities here...last nights Crackhouse program was a terrible reminder of the grinding poverty and cycle of addiction. the nation as a whole drinks too much and behaves badly due to our ridiculous licensing laws, and the feeling of inadequacy of many groups of young men who compensate bby behaving like thugs..but you read about similar issues all over the world - the french housing estates, drug addiction and current rape craze, US frat house behaviour, US party drugs - ice + pcp, which in my epxerience have been popular for years, scandinavians , russians and polish getting drop dead drunk on spirits, that new speed stlye drug that is decimating thailand...i can go on and on. each country has its own problems, each country has its own addictions.

invisibleplanet
29th January 2003, 11:09
Originally posted by Irrungenwirrungen
but to be honest I think that it was much more of a concern 20 years ago, when teachers actually were quite brutal.

Originally posted by emmai disagree about the education system in this country
its underfunded (thatch's and major's legacy) but its pretty rigorous, more so than the american system, and it allows for more individuality than the french system.


these two quotes can be brought together, and want to put forward that it was THIS time, 20 years ago, when Thatcher had laid to waste our coal industry, that our country's major drugs problem became ingrained.

In that climate, 20 years ago, of unemployment and miners despair, a black-market drug culture was born in these old mining villages and towns. These towns and villages today still suffer from the terrible legacy of unemployment, bleak education and employment prospects, and heroin abuse is rife there. The people in these pit-villages turned to drugs as an escape from their bleak future and as a way to make money. They were let down by the state, and turned their attentions to the entrepreneurial black-market in order to eke a living from drugs and smuggled booze.

simon-roog
29th January 2003, 15:12
Originally posted by invisibleplanet




In that climate, 20 years ago, of unemployment and miners despair, a black-market drug culture was born in these old mining villages and towns. These towns and villages today still suffer from the terrible legacy of unemployment, bleak education and employment prospects, and heroin abuse is rife there. The people in these pit-villages turned to drugs as an escape from their bleak future and as a way to make money. They were let down by the state, and turned their attentions to the entrepreneurial black-market in order to eke a living from drugs and smuggled booze.

The problem stems from our unsustatainable western culture. We have created a system of boom and bust based around industries such as coal and industry. These industrys cannot possibly be sustained for ever, but for some reason when they do come to an end all the undesirable effects such as collapsing communities and poverty for the working classes always get swept under the carpet. Community investment runs parrallell to profitability and worth. under-education within these communities creates all number of problems such as racial hate (as being demonstrated by the election of another BNP member and the current attitudes towards asylum seekers) and as you point out, drugs.

The general decline of British culture is something that I do not think can be stopped. There are no incentives within our systems for people to do good and worthwhile things. Our society rewards all the wrong people, giving wealth and priveledge to people invovled with capitalists, profit making activities that most of the time make our lives worse, causing severe social problems. The people that really do things such as provide health, knowledge and values are abused by our society. We seem ready and waiting to
let profiteering coupled with mediocrity enter every corner of our lives without fight. Just look at the music industry for a typical example, There is so little original creativity within mainstream culture. We are fast becoming America 2, where the real forces and power behind what goes on is hidden behind a false and projected sense of democracy and freedom. I truely believe that american population are among the worlds 'least free' I have very recently been to america and was extremely dissheartened by what I saw there. Almost every aspect of their culture is spoon fed to them. these include film, music, and art and the thing that worries me most is that they welcome it with open arms. Just look at bush's administration and you realise that they have no place being there, and can understand how they have become what they have. practically everyone in the bush club is somehow connected with the oil industry or have major corporate interest. I mean , whatever happened to the breaking up of microsoft, one of the most unethical corps. in the history of the world. They have pretty much been given a licence to print dollar bills by the current american government.

I think that we should all be worried about corporate america's invasion of our country. I dont think people realise what Wal-mart's bidding for Safeways means, or worse still Blair's lifting of restrictions on foriegn media corps interested in our terestrial TV groups. Image how quickly what people watch, listen to and read would decline if our TV became as diabolically bad as theirs. I believe it is Europe that currently holds us back from ultimate doom. We continue to bounce off France, Italy etc for many of our cultural ideals although Blair's lack of commitement to Europe could destroy that.

old skool
29th January 2003, 15:52
Maybe us Brits just stick to the old saying 'if yer gonna do it, do it proper'.

I know I do.

In fact, it might not be an old saying but just one of mine that I say every weekend.

Which is why my head is in the state that it's in.

phil
29th January 2003, 16:21
I try not to care really. I just make my tunes and laugh at everything.

I dont care about America, or anywhere else really. the only thing i care about is me and my mates and my tunes. But i care about Bears when they get made to dance in India for peoples amusement and end up going mad. That makes me sad. In fact i could get sad about a lot of things really. But the bear thing makes me upset. Go to this site and donate if it makes u sad 2.

http://www.wspa.org.uk/index.php?ilocale=2

damm this planet. I hate it when people say "save the planet" etc..
You know what. The planet will recycle itself and brush us off like the fleas we are. Then it will start again and maybe, if anyone survives or the sirians come down the planet will start with some sorted out people, instead of a bunch of cunts. whatever...

decadnids
29th January 2003, 16:46
damm this planet. I hate it when people say "save the planet" etc..
You know what. The planet will recycle itself and brush us off like the fleas we are. Then it will start again and maybe, if anyone survives or the sirians come down the planet will start with some sorted out people, instead of a bunch of cunts. whatever...

I wouldn't count on the sirians coming back, they've probably had their fill of human stupidity!!!

phil
29th January 2003, 16:55
they will come back on Judgement day. and all the sorted people will be alright and all the cunts will be fucked.

decadnids
29th January 2003, 17:01
Originally posted by phil
they will come back on Judgement day. and all the sorted people will be alright and all the cunts will be fucked.

I reckon I will give that a miss, I have other "saviours" that will wing me on my merry way, hopefully tho - I should be dead before judgement day, so I can sit on the golden cloud and watch the carnage unroll.

the bloody Raelian have tried to hijack the whole "those from the skies" mythos, as have many other recent (and old) cults. The Raelians even use the Hebrew word Elohim, for their sky people (Elohim is used to mean God, it is a plural word, so in the hebrew scriptures this would be translated as gods - its also means those from the sky etc etc).

I feel it is sad that the human race have to look to "other aliens" as our saviours, shit, you would have thought we would have sorted that out ourselved, but no - hairless monkey's we are, loosing the battle of life - game over v soon.

(BTW, I am not always this negative, I just hate humans) ;)

phil
29th January 2003, 17:10
The Sirians will save me!! yipeeeeee!!!! and they have beings with millions of eyes who watch us all. they made us in their own image. ad biscuits was not on the agenda.

some humans are ok. Im alright, few others are alright. but most are cunts. I quote Tom J " Identity cults can only be effectively generated from one dimenional personalities" Word up.

wheezer
29th January 2003, 17:14
really on a more serious note, I'd like to point out that according to the eu-wide surveys (i.e. average alcohol consumption per head per annum) I am aware of, the crown for king boozers always goes either to the French or the German, Finland has never risen beyond 9th place on those charts, and the rest of Scandinavia hangs out in that area as well - because while they do tend to drink hard when they drink, it just doesn't happen that often. Here in Finland there is still a alcohol monopoly, in Norway alcohol is so expensive that you can buy wine by the glass in supermarkets, etc...

Also from my personal experience, pretty much any techno party in Germany (can't speak for UK) will have more (open) drug consumption going on - not in the least because drugs are just way cheaper there!

Gameboy
29th January 2003, 17:15
Its is part of life here.. ever since my early teens the culture I have been in has been bascially driven by drugs and drink.
for me it is becasue I hate most things and get bored very,very quickly..
But it is weird how if you DONT use anything then it appears you are more of an "outsider" than the guy dribbling and pukin in the corner..
as for schools and education 100% right Emma they have No money.!!!
my daughters school is good but that is just geography if she was in a catchment area just a few miles east or west etc.. things could be very different

+ CRACKHOUSE - was fuckin hard viewing ... :(

decadnids
29th January 2003, 17:15
millions of eyes, jeeez.. you would have thought a more sentient, omniopotent, being would suite the job better - with some sort of etheral tendrils that work through the cosomos.

blessed be the serians, who loved themselves so much that the copied themselves for the new race.

its funny you should say that, as thats the whole thing with cloning and genetics, people want to create humans, and other animals rather than create things like protein cows that are just huge lumps of meat in vats for people to feast on. no nervous system, so no pain, just total meat for those who indulge in such.

phil
29th January 2003, 17:18
I think a protein cow would be nice and a protein pig and protein chicken. i like mini-kieves.

decadnids
29th January 2003, 17:20
Originally posted by phil
I think a protein cow would be nice and a protein pig and protein chicken. i like mini-kieves.

they can grow mini kieves on trees, well they could, if they wanted to (maybe in a few years).

I don't eat meat, dont agree with the meat industry, but I have nothing against catching wild animals and clubbing them to death for food... as long as you don't have a gun, as thats a little unfair, a bow and arrow is ok tho, maybe not a crossbow.

phil
29th January 2003, 17:22
i like the idea of not eating animals. and maybe one day i will stop. minni kieves dont have to have meat inside they can have clip-on dredlocks.

Irrungenwirrungen
29th January 2003, 17:25
Originally posted by invisibleplanet


In that climate, 20 years ago, of unemployment and miners despair, a black-market drug culture was born in these old mining villages and towns. These towns and villages today still suffer from the terrible legacy of unemployment, bleak education and employment prospects, and heroin abuse is rife there. The people in these pit-villages turned to drugs as an escape from their bleak future and as a way to make money. They were let down by the state, and turned their attentions to the entrepreneurial black-market in order to eke a living from drugs and smuggled booze.

Hey IP, you are totally correct in that many mining communities have been destroyed by drugs ,but........
for every inhabitant who has eked a living from drugs & smuggled booze, there are loads who have taken a stand against it.
As a child, I remember visiting Orgreave & the scenes of absolute mayhem, as it isn't far from where I grew up & it is a real shame that Tony Blair is following in the footsteps of that evil despot, if not transforming into her.
There are many agents/bodies attempting to promote regrowth in these areas and yes the job would appear to be a hard one.

decadnids
29th January 2003, 17:26
or you can have a nice quorn mini kieve, which are ok.

if I had a farm, I would have animals to eat - I think, unless I liked them too much and couldn't kill them, thats why hunting wild animals is better as you don't get to know them until they are dead.


not quite sure what this has to do with brits drinking too much... to get back ... our pubs and clubs close at silly times so people here tend to drink to excess quickly, to compensate.

Tomoki
29th January 2003, 17:40
Originally posted by Gameboy

But it is weird how if you DONT use anything then it appears you are more of an "outsider" than the guy dribbling and pukin in the corner..

I was luckily strong enough not to use any drug only because not to be an “outsider”.
Unfortunately not all kids are strong enough to resist the drugs-abuse.

I mean you can use drugs, but please do inform what you consume and how the effect is.

When I look in the today culture, kids consume and consume and don’t know what and they take way too much, only to be “cool”.

decadnids
29th January 2003, 17:44
Originally posted by Tomoki

I was luckily strong enough not to use any drug only because not to be an “outsider”.
Unfortunately not all kids are strong enough to resist the drugs-abuse.

I mean you can use drugs, but please do inform what you consume and how the effect is.

When I look in the today culture, kids consume and consume and don’t know what and they take way too much, only to be “cool”.

I don't think, from personal experience, I ever felt the pressure of taking drugs, even as a teenager. Drug use is fine, I believe and an integral part of humanity. the abuse of any substance is not fine, its damaging to both body and soul. I've been close to the bone when it comes to mis-use of drugs, and its not pleasant. banging down a handful of pills, and going ape every weekend is def. miss use, in my view.

pille'ocheoni
29th January 2003, 20:00
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phil
29th January 2003, 20:11
brare rabbit.

m j
29th January 2003, 20:12
ah...

pille'ocheoni
29th January 2003, 20:20
ha............huh eh......no