"loop based" techno ????

[thesnailsshow]

Recently I read an interview made to Neil Landstrumm that asks him about the "currently new popular loop based techno"...

I really admire Landstrumm and all his music, but he said something like this wasn't really "good" music and that seemed to be like "Industrial Trance" or something like that.

I don't really get it.... isn't a loop the base to create a good techno track ??? some techno is a repetitive rythmic structure, and that's what I think it makes it good !!!

When I produce a track, no matter which style, I start with a loop and then I add lot's of other ideas. Does that makes it bad ???

I think I'm a little lost here... what do you people have to say about this ???

link to the interview page... I dunno if posting it is good but here it is:

http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/archives/interviews/neil_landstrumm.php

chee - do

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Verdaderos tacos "har-core" (tripa, cabeza, lengua, ojo)... mmm !!!!

[goinz]

No its not the base i think!!! From my thinking is Neil right, Loop Based Techno is boring shit. But not in all implementations. Some Artists get it in a great interisting Form. From the fundamental idea its a boring style to make electronic dance music! I dont use it willingly.

[octavedr]

If they're on about techno where the it's just someone muting and unmuting the same 5 or 6 loops then it's hardly new! People like the Advent (their later stuff) and Adam Beyer are the worst culprits of this kind of music I heard a Landstrumm interview a few years ago where he said pretty much the same thing as he has now.

[eclairfi]

yeh most techno is kind of loop based in a way, just by the beats/bars.... but i think he is talking about the more repetitive, loop based bang bang bang boring zzzzzz heard it all before, middle of the road techno

[mr.shot]

I wouldnt say it is boring to make loop techno. Take thomas brinkmann or other minimal stuff its mostly just a big loop. To bring soul and funk in the track is the way to make it livelier. I mean its not important to talk about the technique how you create your tracks. It have to sound good at the end!!!TRUST YOUR EARS!
thats it...

[goinz]

Yes Mr.shot you are right, so I said some Artists get it in a great interisting Form the looped Techno.

[arar]

Regis and Female have produced some good stuff..but theyr're kind of the exception to the rule..I think a lot of producers are just lazy, and are more into the idea of being a producer, than they are into music....probably a good 90% of what proports to be techno a bunch of banging loops, or some cheeses knock off of the 1980's woth a vocoder thrown...however, there is still more good music being produced than I can afford to buy!

[gunjack]

I THINK THE WHOLE BUSSINESS OF CALLING SHIT "LOOP TECHNO" IS FUCKING BOGUS.




techno is repetitive. folks are just trying to distance themselves from hard techno cuz IDM is the fucking trend de jour. fuck that . BANG OUT.8-()

[Lady E]

well i disagree with you there...
none of the music we have ever released is loop techno, neither is it IDM. there is another way, things can be banging without being boring

and loop techno can be good of course. i think what neil would probably have been referring to is its predominance and popularity in techno clubs, and the fact that a lot of it is pretty dull.

[arar]

..er whats IDM?, I dont appear to be keeping up with you youngsters in terminolgy...I had enough trouble when people started talking about EBM (Im sure it was never called this when I was dancing to it years ago...), maybe someone could write a guide for the unhip?

[arar]

oh I get it, intelliegent dance music...do people still use the phrase?..well at least one person is I suppose

[gunjack]

http://www.gamerz232.org/images/FUNNYBONE.jpg

[jukka]

Originally posted by gunjack

folks are just trying to distance themselves from hard techn

i like baning techno !!!

[gunjack]

me too jukka. lets bang out in march!!!!!

[owain_k]

Granted, alot of "loop based clubby techno" is rather dull and unexploratory in its own right........but, IMO its down to what the
DJ does with those kind of tracks to make it sound interesting....

EG - Cut n Scratch, steam-roller style 30-40secs per mix, use of 3 dex to layer sounds........

[tsr_tomas]

looptechno = is for the easy dj´s i think. it´s not hard to think and almost every loop track fit´s with each other. well i can admire people with 3decks. but two is to little.

well, i´m sounding rude, but i do like some looptechno. like Adam, Cari and those lads.
but it´s deffinitly something that i wouldn´t play.

well, i suck !
kram.

[bitch one]

Originally posted by owain_k

EG - Cut n Scratch, steam-roller style 30-40secs per mix, use of 3 dex to layer sounds........

yawwwwn. deck wizardry is so boring. masturbation should be kept in private where it belongs. give me an unco-ordinated dj playing good tunes one after another over jeff mills furiously wanking 36 knobs at once anyday.

[Tomoki]

Perhaps some people equate loop techno with banging and hard techno,thats because they are only "loop-producers".

[jukka]

Originally posted by gunjack
me too jukka. lets bang out in march!!!!!

yehaaaaa gunny !!!we will !!!
hey, would be cool if you are in berlin around 13-15th march____becouse tresor's birtday will be celabrated then !!!
with a great line up off course :D

[aleks]

you should be...:D

[gunjack]

aleks invited me already, probably be there!!:


look frward to seeing cristian and surgeon in the same night:illin:

[jukka]

would be cool to meet ya there____if not then we have to go out another date !!!:)

[gunjack]

how far is frakfurt from wolfsburg?

[aleks]

almost 400 k´s i think...

[jukka]

Originally posted by gunjack
how far is frakfurt from wolfsburg?

frankfurt :D

[grobelaar]

"Kill all DJs"

[grobelaar]

A literary rendition of loopy dance music...

Boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, , boom, bang…. whup, whup, whup, whup Boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, , boom, bang, boomity, bangity, boom “insert sample from fave movie here” bang, boom, bang, whup, whup, whup, whup, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull….

Oops that was actually the run out groove on the record and I hadn't noticed….

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by gunjack
how far is frakfurt from wolfsburg?

hey
what about your stuttgart visit????
:-)

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by grobelaar
A literary rendition of loopy dance music...

Boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, , boom, bang…. whup, whup, whup, whup Boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, , boom, bang, boomity, bangity, boom “insert sample from fave movie here” bang, boom, bang, whup, whup, whup, whup, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull….



äh......next record pleez!
:-)

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by Weishaupt


äh......next record pleez!
:-)

OK, this one is wikked, just got it today on promo, hold on while I beat match em, and fade...

Boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, , boom, bang…. whup, whup, whup, whup Boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, tsss, boom, tsss, bang, boom, bang, boom, bang, , boom, bang, boomity, bangity, boom “insert sample from 60s civil defence film here” bang, boom, bang, whup, whup, whup, whup, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, dull….

[Weishaupt]

hahahahahahahahaha............ ...................:-)

[Sheridan]

ok here is a question no one has ever been able to give me a satisfactory answer on.
when does a minimal techno track turn into a loopy techno track?
to me there is almost no differnece.
techno (not all of it) has been loopy for ages, but now all of a sudden it has gotten this bad rap. so I am at a loss.

[zombie ritual]

Yeah techno used to be mainly loop-based, but in the mid-90ties people like Mills or Robert Hood or even Cari Lekebusch spiced it up with little unforeseeable details and a much more subtle groove than can be found in loop techno nowadays. Surgeon I think is back with really good tracks which are loop based as well but have a lot of things going on under the surface. On the other hand there was the extremely stripped down minimalism of early Mike Ink, Studio 1 or Plastikman that I still love, but which has unfortunately has gone lost. And one should always remember that minimalism was once a very refreshing experience for those who hated trance.

[thesnailsshow]

Thanks to everyone who has participated in this forum.

I'm still on doubt... someone posted that Adam Beyer and some of the lastest Advent work are that kind of "loop based" stuff, but I still see no difference between some of their tracks and some of the tracks the same Neil Landstrumm played on his Glamourama tour in tresor !!!!. At the same time, both Landstrumm and Advent have created albums in there.
Maybe... (I'm not saying that this is the truth) he was talking about that Psy-trance stuff. All of it is based on the same loop, a delayed bass. Also it doesn't have a "structure" and sometimes it's dull because the noises just come from everywhere.
Let's just let the music flow and don't categorize something that doesn't makes any sense, most of the continous beat techno is based on loops since the day it was created.

P.S. I still think that Beyer and Landstrumm are both great techno producers.

[Weishaupt]

clap. the 1567

names are borders............but nobody understand me...........
it doesnt matter.............
my head become quit and i see what i feel..........and contrariwise too

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by thesnailsshow
Thanks to everyone who has participated in this forum.

I'm still on doubt... someone posted that Adam Beyer and some of the lastest Advent work are that kind of "loop based" stuff, but I still see no difference between some of their tracks and some of the tracks the same Neil Landstrumm played on his Glamourama tour in tresor !!!!. At the same time, both Landstrumm and Advent have created albums in there.
Maybe... (I'm not saying that this is the truth) he was talking about that Psy-trance stuff. All of it is based on the same loop, a delayed bass. Also it doesn't have a "structure" and sometimes it's dull because the noises just come from everywhere.
Let's just let the music flow and don't categorize something that doesn't makes any sense, most of the continous beat techno is based on loops since the day it was created.

P.S. I still think that Beyer and Landstrumm are both great techno producers.


´think, music is not the main thing.............is a means of transport for for the ideas and the consciousness of this sounds, wich you note and your consciousness or your spirit and stuff...........for continuing............

[thesnailsshow]

Sorry Sheridan, I didn't read your message, but that's exactly what I was asking... why? why? why?
I think is just fuckin stupid

[gunjack]

weishapt, stutgart is how far from frankfurt/berlin/etc.? does germany have a good railway system?



@the topic -

i think adam beyer is the reason alot of techno gets a bad rap... i refuse to play drumcode etc. anymore. it all sounds the same.:-p

[Sheridan]

I dug the drumcode sound, but the newer ones certainly started to sound too similar.
the best one in my opinion was drumcode 8. the one oliver ho did. gritty nasty stuff. before he went all tech house.

[gunjack]

agreed.:illin:

[aleks]

Originally posted by gunjack
weishapt, stutgart is how far from frankfurt/berlin/etc.? does germany have a good railway system?

yes, it has a good railwaysystem...

[deccard]

hey gunjack. when do you come to frankfurt? do you have something to play there?

[zombie ritual]

There are considerable differences in the music of Landstrumm and Beyer. Landstrumm uses actual little melodies, sometimes even harmonic changes. Beyer, as far as I know, doesn't do that. It's a looped pattern (or maybe several pattern) that is maintained from beginning to end of a track. Some Landstrumm tracks work the same way, but characteristically, you have several "Motive" following each other within one track.

[Tomoki]

Originally posted by aleks


yes, it has a good railwaysystem...

I am very curious about these Shinkansen-trains in Japan. They must be veeeeeery fast.Our fastest train(ICE) is "only" 250-300kph fast.
Nevertheless it´s only a 4 hour ride from Frankfurt to berlin, 2hours to stuttgart and 1 hour to cologne.
Luckily I am living in the centre of germany.

[kungfoo]

Hm.. i think the whole discussion misses the point. It's not the "loop-based" or whatever-based-thing which makes a track good or bad, but the way it stimulates the little synapses in your brain. To badmouth music of any kind (ye ye.. i do this often enough by myself) is like to blame people for their different brainstructure for which they in fact can't help very much.

[gunjack]

true, true.

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by gunjack
weishapt, stutgart is how far from frankfurt/berlin/etc.? does germany have a good railway system?





yes.....like aleks said...............from stuttgart to frankfurt is ca. 240 km, stuttgart to berlin 700 km(here its better to fly..........).........

[gunjack]

i cant wait to go around!!!!!!!! see all you guys soon!!!!

[DsD]

1. the music thing... i heared tracks that are the same at the beginning and the end... no changes between... boring crap that u can`t hear more than 1 minute... that`s real crap and that is bad loop techno in my eyes.
2. a flight from stuttgart to berlin costs about 30€ and by train more than 90€ as far as i know ;)

[Weishaupt]

here.......
if you araound the 8 march.............neil landstrum will play here........
and if you come araound the 15 march.......michael forshaw is here.............i cant wait for it too....man!!!

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by gunjack
weishapt, stutgart is how far from frankfurt/berlin/etc.? does germany have a good railway system?



Is this some sort of group subconscious freudian slip that a thread discussing the relative merits of loop based techno has started talking about the railway...

da-dun-d-dun... da-dun-d-dun... da-dun-d-dun... da-dun-d-dun... da-dun-d-dun... (sorry couldn't resist)

Back to the topic, speaking none technically, I can see where you are coming from with the not being able to hear the difference between Beyer (although I haven't heard any new Beyer or Advent stuff) and Landstrumm. But I think you are wrong, there is a definite difference in the structure. With a Beyer production, everything seem to hang within the structure of a very definite loop that thunders throughout the whole track. The result is for me very formulaic music, with this sort of music it feels like there are only a few set types of records, and the producers just add their own sounds, samples and drums - someone could probably write a pretty decent piece of software based around that theory... Which isn't a bad thing, I mean at the end of the day if people can make this stuff and have the mixing skills to make something of it then great - its just not my cup of tea - Plus I think there's an awful lot of poeple who don't have the deck skills who just mix this stuff like Trance and that is boring...

Landstrumm rocks, and that's all I can say, I don't know sufficient enough about production or music to know exactly what he does, and maybe that's why I like him or that type of music - perhaps its not having total understanding that lets you just enjoy the music, using the your lower cortex and bypassing the higher functions that always analyse stuff...

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by grobelaar


Is this some sort of group subconscious freudian slip that a thread discussing the relative merits of loop based techno has started talking about the railway...



..........what toys do you have????

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by Weishaupt


..........what toys do you have????


Lego

[wheezer]

toy of the gods

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by wheezer
toy of the gods



pffff............matchbox cars rulz............
:-)

[jukka]

i am wondering if the kids tody still play with the good old lego ?
or do they just play with any consoles ?

[Weishaupt]

just any fucking consoles.........damn shit...........
i hate playstaition and stuff...........so boring.........

jukka.........what was your fav toy???

[Ava]

Originally posted by Sheridan

the best one in my opinion was drumcode 8. the one oliver ho did. gritty nasty stuff. before he went all tech house.

what about dc10, the one by lekebusch? pure wonkiness



anyway, theres good and bad music, loop based or not strictly loop based. although theres more sloppy lazy looped techno at the moment. there are some amazing loop records ie early purposemaker, early drumcode, regis and surgeon

[M H]

Gotta say I've had a bit of a re-interest in slightly loopier stuff... I've always found I like the occasional thing as appose to everything by an artist.... Some early Chris McCormack and Coldust trax spring to mind... Shame you have to wade thru 7 tonnes of shit to get the odd good one...

[Weishaupt]

what about chris mccormak "sea level"?
a strange record.............but....hmja a........good............

[gunjack]

i heard scorn is doing LINO32.....

[Sheridan]

yeah chris mccormack makes really interesting records. I was also a huge coldust fan back in about 97. they just had those hard cold sounding techno. nice stuff here and there.

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by gunjack
i heard scorn is doing LINO32.....

that should be cool!!!
about time some new downwards stuff came out.

[Weishaupt]

I like the dc 9..............cool stuff............

[wheezer]

that hurdy gurdy doesn't have a half bad sound to it, I bet it would sound wicked with a phatass electro beat lol

[jukka]

Originally posted by Weishaupt
just any fucking consoles.........damn shit...........
i hate playstaition and stuff...........so boring.........

jukka.........what was your fav toy???

i loved my matchbox cars___which i often destroyed just for fun ;)
and i was totally packed by my "carrera bahn"___and i had a lot of lego off course :)

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by jukka


i loved my matchbox cars___which i often destroyed just for fun ;)
and i was totally packed by my "carrera bahn"___and i had a lot of lego off course :)

............jeah.........i destroyed my cars too...........and burn them........and slag them to my brothers head......hrhrhr.........

carrera was cool.......but my bahn was small :-/
i has playmobile............and little soldiers .............jeah, that was cool..............

ENGLAND VS GERMANY.............uhhhhhhhhh h:-)

[Ruben A]

Originally posted by jukka


i loved my matchbox cars___which i often destroyed just for fun ;)
and i was totally packed by my "carrera bahn"___and i had a lot of lego off course :)

Brothers we are!! Lego was my best friend!! Loved it and build so many crazy things.. technic-lego was ofcourse the way to freak out. wow.. somedays wish I had that big box of lego - it could be soo cool to have a look on it again..?? ;)
Matchbox-cars was the funniest thing to play with outdoor.. building roads, crafts and stuff in the garten. -and yes destroying some of the most ugly and old cars I had.. with a hammer or a heavy stone, ofcourse!
lol

also build things in lego, took some firecrackers and blow the shit up in the garten....!!
My parents still find some small wheels or doors from the cars and a few legoblocks around the garten.... damn!! after sooo many years!????

hey carrera.... was that this loopy thing you could place your matchbox cars in???

[jukka]

Originally posted by Weishaupt


............jeah.........i destroyed my cars too...........and burn them........and slag them to my brothers head......hrhrhr.........

carrera was cool.......but my bahn was small :-/
i has playmobile............and little soldiers .............jeah, that was cool..............

ENGLAND VS GERMANY.............uhhhhhhhhh h:-)

yeah, i had little soldiers as well (also the bit bigger ones)....with the bigger ones we often played in the sandpit.....building and hiding them and then throwing with stones....each one that fall down were "killed"....

[jukka]

@ruben:no carrera was with electric cars on a racing court you even were able to change "street sides".....but i had a "loopingbahn" as well.......
i also would like to have my lego back.....and it is worth a lot today (as far as i know) !!

[Weishaupt]

we played also with our HE-MAN Action Toys ......................
Jeah........He-Man and his Battle-Cat*roarhhhhhhhhhhh

and the evil Skeletor...........He was a cool blue sucker..............

[jukka]

i hated he-man figures those days....i was a total star wars freak !!!
i just used to own "moosmen"---to be honest i robbed it from another kid :-p

[Ruben A]

@jukka, electric cars. ahhaaaa.. I had that aswell.... uh still remember that christmas I got it! just hate when the cars "left" the road.. and you had to run after it and hurry back and place it on the road.... especially when the other car hit your hand at the time you were trying to place your own!!!! AVV!
I also had a electric train.... but it didn´t work to well...

then some remotecontrolled cars... which I loved!! removing the tyres and drive them around in the kitchen on the vinylfloor!!
hahahaha!!

[Sheridan]

I was obsessed with G.I. Joe.
the REAL american hero.

[jukka]

Originally posted by Ruben A
@jukka, electric cars. ahhaaaa.. I had that aswell.... uh still remember that christmas I got it! just hate when the cars "left" the road.. and you had to run after it and hurry back and place it on the road.... especially when the other car hit your hand at the time you were trying to place your own!!!! AVV!
I also had a electric train.... but it didn´t work to well...

then some remotecontrolled cars... which I loved!! removing the tyres and drive them around in the kitchen on the vinylfloor!!
hahahaha!!

hehheheehe....ruben i had the same probs with replacing the car back on the road and the other one crashed the hand.....did you also buy all the specials for the road like a lapcounter and oil barrels and i also buy ski-jump for the road___first time you hit there came up a flag which said "danger" second time the ski-jump came out.....and third time..ehh..you jumped out of the road !!!

and my brother used to have a big route for his märklin electric train ;)
there were some kind of special remotecontrol cars eerr i can't remember the name but i think it was anything with buggy or so ??
but one of my biggest dreams those days was to get a helicopter with remotecontroller____but it never came true :(

[Ruben A]

Believe it or not!!! I bought a helicopter (kyosho concept 60) when I was 14...!!! That was the hardest thing to fly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! had to install 4x 2Liters CocaColabottles on a rail... under it- To make sure it wouldn´t tip over!

http://www.manx-modelflyers.org/gallery/images/Heli/Concept_Flying_High.JPG

ofcourse it ended up in a major CRASHHH!!
But it was a TECHNICAL FAILURE!! not me... a little servo-wire broke off and resulted the rotorblade to break down and destroy the whole machine!!!!...

took me 3 weeks to rebuild and a lot of money.... after that I sold it...!!

[jukka]

Originally posted by Ruben A
ofcourse it ended up in a major CRASHHH!!
But it was a TECHNICAL FAILURE!! not me... a little servo-wire broke off and resulted the rotorblade to break down and destroy the whole machine!!!!...


hahahhahah.....are you sure it wasn't your failure :illin: :-p

[Ruben A]

YES!

I think I have it on videotape....
the helicopter was only 30 centimeters over the ground, when the blade went crazy!!
The worst part was, that I couldnt turn the shit off, cause it had destroyed the battery-wire to the remotecenter in the machine!! so it went on..... and on..... and on....... destroying a part of the machine each time!!! ahhrhrrr..r.r...
Still have the memories!

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by jukka
@ruben:no carrera was with electric cars on a racing court you even were able to change "street sides".....but i had a "loopingbahn" as well.......
i also would like to have my lego back.....and it is worth a lot today (as far as i know) !!

Scaletrix is popular in the UK, but I spent 5 years of my childhood in Germany and Belgium and my dad bought a TCR (Total Control Racing) which was way cooler than Scaletrix, you could change lanes and overtake and they even had these blocking cars that went round the track slower and you had negotiate them - and it was in figure of 8 - I saw some track pieces in a secondhand shop in Leicester but didn't have any money at the time...

I'd love to get my old Lego back - I want to build all the kits in their original form - I quite like 'em they make funny ornaments - any way check this... its over a metre long...

http://www.lego.com/starwars/home.asp

and you can buy the Star Destroyer...
http://shop.lego.com/product.asp?id=%7B43C070D4%2DD 089%2D11D6%2D802F%2D00065BA09B 53%7D&OrderBy=0&CatID=%7B322F985F%2D1EFE%2D40E 4%2D8B8A%2DC65B03C70E9B%7D

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by wheezer
that hurdy gurdy doesn't have a half bad sound to it, I bet it would sound wicked with a phatass electro beat lol

yes!! ja! jo guat!

ok - take the gurdy...make a tune....i wanna hear it! (don't forget it's a 'string')

do u ever syncopate with two melodies? this fascinates me at the moment *g

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet


yes!! ja! jo guat!

ok - take the gurdy...make a tune....i wanna hear it! (don't forget it's a 'string')

do u ever syncopate with two melodies? this fascinates me at the moment *g

i will find u some hurdy samples if u want. one should check out - i bet there are loads of magyar samples

[JE:5]

10 PRINT "TECHNO"
20 GOTO 10
RUN

[thesnailsshow]

Damn !! what happened here !!!
when I saw 81 replies to the topic I said WOW !!! I have lot's of interesting stuff to check out !!! but I found a conversation about toys.

Well, I loved to play with my robotech/macross action figures by bandai, also with a cheap/chinese/mexican-market version of Mazinger Z that actually was better than the original because the whole body could be separated into pieces !!! hehehe but hey....

-back to the topic please !!!!

Of course !!! Landstrumm and Beyer productions are very different, but what I was talking about was their Dj sets, both have the same amount of loop-repetition on some tracks. (of course I like Landstrumm a lot more hehehehe)

I finally found a difference between the "loop-based" and the "other kinds" of techno, it's just matter of listening to it. Definitely, "loop-based" or whatever you want to call it, is a lot more Dancefloor oriented since its easier to understand as Landstrumm said, but I think that's the way it should be, because I bet you that if you play some dark and experimental stuff to a crowd of people, more than the 50% of them will run out for a something more easy/danceable stuff. Well, it also depends a LOT where are you playing it of course.

It's more than obvious... you can't give more than 2 minutes on the deck to a "loop-based" song because it will be boring as hell. Just listen to Dj Mix Series Escapism by Ben Sims or to Dj mix seriex 5 by Michael Burkat... both records use a lot of "loop-based" and have more than 30 tracks, and that's because they know that they have to change the track or it will be the same fuckin stuff. And maybe not all of the "loop-based" (damn I started to hate that term) it's dull, Stockholm Mix Sessions by beyer takes some very good melodic and refreshing techno. (yes Weishaupt I also think that names are borders but I have to give an example here hehehe)

I dunno, I think this whole shit was senseless, at the first time the question is very ambiguous. I've heard a lot of bad fuckin techno in radio and clubs that make a lot of people dance, and in the case of my country, is something really sad, because the hardest Techno and Psy Trance makes the girls dance here, If you put them one of the best Landstrumm Basslines to them they just go out... believe me, is sad, but as I said... it also depends a lot where are you playing it.

[c s]

Originally posted by Ruben A
Believe it or not!!! I bought a helicopter (kyosho concept 60) when I was 14...!!!

so you had this toy i always dreamt of! actually i STILL want it! lol

[gunjack]

Originally posted by deccard
hey gunjack. when do you come to frankfurt? do you have something to play there?






still trying to set something up! can you help? do you know anyone at U60311, Basement, Rotari, Robert Johnson, Space Place etc.? i have sent them pics/bio links/jpegs etc. but never got any reply.....my email is kinda fucked at the moment though.

[gunjack]

Originally posted by Tomoki


I am very curious about these Shinkansen-trains in Japan. They must be veeeeeery fast.Our fastest train(ICE) is "only" 250-300kph fast.


ICE is about the same speed as the Shinkansen.... i want to know more about these magnetic hover trtains i saw on tv!

[jukka]

@gunjack;
i think you are talking of transrapid (magnetic hover train).
i once drived with it on the "test road" here in germany and must say it is really fast (about 400 kph) and totally quiet inside...they should built it up instead of "normal" trains.

[Tomoki]

@jukka
how long and where was this test road?

[jukka]

tomoki, it is in the "emsland (NRW)".....i was there with my school class about 10 years ago (or maybe more) when i was on holidays with them.
check out these sites:
www.mvp.de
www.transrapid.de

[c s]

Originally posted by jukka
transrapid- they should built it up instead of "normal" trains.

sorry for being OT once again, but i disagree on that. existing german rail is in a bad enough situation, it would make much more sense if the state helped out the "bahn" with this money instead of spending billions on realising a single sci-fi train. also in my opinion it's much more important to stop the flood of trucks on the streets, and that's only possible when the "bahn" is cheap enough. the transrapid brings nothing but prestige, and it's just been bought by the chinese even though there was no 'real' track in germany (company always claimed they'd sell no trains if there was no long track in germany).

also there's more advanced rapid trains that work on usual rails, they just don't look as spectacular. but ok, if anybody is able to build it from his own money and doesn't build it into protected nature, why not.

[jukka]

hhhhhmmmmm.....c.s. i must say that you are right with your opinion !!!
but do you really think the "bahn" will ever be cheap enough to get the trucks away from the streets ??
i don't think so....just take a look at the new tariff (right word ?? ) and i think you already recognized that it got more expansive for most people.....but okay i don't have a clue about what companys have to pay for transporting their goods, so i am not sure about !!!

[c s]

of course influence must be taken by the state, they're already planning this "lkw maut", but at the same time they should help the "bahn". currently everythings going into the wrong direction there. get less - pay more. also the problem with "lkw maut" is that it puts even more financial pressure on logistics companies, and already today there's thousands of traffic accidents every year caused by truck drivers falling asleep while driving, just because they have to drive for 20 hrs for their company not to get bankrupt...

well and this is the point where we really should move the discussion to the "what's this world coming to"-thread. ;)

[Irrungenwirrungen]

I really enjoyed the early Drumcode stuff & think that Beyer produced some great tracks- Landstrumm was also producing great stuff. Landstrumm still does, Beyer doesn't. The seriously large amount of shit Loop techno that has been released doesn't mean that all loop techno should be given a bad name.
SIMPLE REALLY!!!

[Tomoki]

The problem is that this uninspired loop techno sells very good and why should the producers change this kind of style?!

[decadnids]

Originally posted by Tomoki
The problem is that this uninspired loop techno sells very good and why should the producers change this kind of style?!

because one would hope that people create musick for more than sales figures, when something becomes a product any magick that was once in it soon goes. I understand people make music for all different reasons, but would assume that people on this board feel strongly about the integrity of musick and the scene. if people don;t get a chance to hear things that are different then producers will keep making the same old shit as they know it will sell, and after all that brand new porsche is much more appealing than artistic integrity. my 2 pence worth.

[thesnailsshow]

I agree with Irrungenwirrungen... the last drumcode stuff started to sound the same fuckin shit... but at the same time I think that any record company can suddenly change their style.
I can't predict what is going to happen.

And take a little look at the peoples taste, Vogel played with Space Djz. Abslutely, In my opinion, I like Vogel stuff more, but Space Djz are still cool !!!.

[7875]

i think looped based music can be fascinating (i.e. joujouka) When it comes to loop-based techno, it can quickly become boring. there are some producers who can still find awesome new ways to relate thoughts through repetition (Surgeon comes to mind) the banging' percussive jugga-jugga-jugga stuff all begins to sound the same after awhile.
all music is usually built upon loops or repetition. i think its unavoidable.
Gas (Wolfgang Voigt) repeats the same phrases over and again but i find its simplicity calming. it is the sound textures he uses that create the depth within the track.

have we beaten this horse dead yet?

[haynusbrody]

i think
loop techno is cool
it doesnt change
so it makes it easy to mix&match quicker
and its so striaght forward its easy to manipulate and do
wierd tricks with and stuff. there are many great uses for loop techno. but it really does suck when you here a whole set of some
boring ass degenerative dj where every tune
sounds the same and hes not even tryin to jack it around or do anything cool.

[7875]

yeah, why is that?