Genre-isms

[owain_k]

As i was brought into electroincally made music when it was all kind of dubbed as "House" or "Rave", I often despair at the fact that so many people get caught up in the blatant pidgeon-holing of X,Y,Z style of music which some journalists have alot to answer for (IMO)

Granted we create categories for things as a means of recognising what they are and making sense of them (in a round about way)... but I often see people turning their nose up at music simply because it is labelled "this" or "that"..... :(

[c s]

sure. for example "techno" is still a synonym of inferiour music for many people, stupid, simple etc., while "laptop" or "clicks'n'cuts" always has to be something intelligent, broken, avantgarde.

[grobelaar]

That's because things continue to evolve until they've exhausted everything and then either death occurs or the next revolution happens and everything starts all over again...

[dirtyho]

All that stuff is for journalists etc. to help perpetuate the genre structure. Genre structure is good for commodifying artistic endeavours. It has served the music, film and publishing industries well over the years. People are not confused by genres, and don't have to investigate themselves, just buy the genre they like. I can't stand listening to just the same music all the time but many people do.

[piscaries]

i love labeling things. everything needs a label. everything needs to be marketable to a select group of people. everything needs a name and a culture to be affiliated with it. how else can people be cool? geez you guys are so stupid!
:!

[c s]

Originally posted by grobelaar
things continue to evolve until they've exhausted everything and then either death occurs or the next revolution happens and everything starts all over again...

well, i'm afraid some things continue even after they've exhausted everything... only yesterday i was at some event where a guy put on laptop electronica all the time - i know him since 1995. but too much of the stuff simply sounded all the same to me, ever repeating what came up back then in 'intelligent techno'. you get the impression there were 2-3 blueprints provided and many artists still use them daily for navigation.

[Sheridan]

but the same can be said of someone doing a live pa via gear and sequencers.
for me personally I don't care how you make the music or how you present it, just as long as it is good. I saw richard devine do a laptop pa and it was dope. same with autechre.
I also saw otto von schirach (spel chek) and I wasn't impressed with his laptop set.
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as far as the genre labels, I think it is somewhat necessary but it does get over done. that is why I just stick to the major labels, i.e house, techno, d n b. because those styles of electronic music are different and something is needed to catalog them and seperate them from everything else.
but when it comes to sub genres I don't usually go along with them. like I would consider BOC, vogel, richard devine, jeff mills all part of the same genre: techno. granted each artist is different and has their own style but to me it is still just techno.

[invisibleplanet]

a slightly tongue in cheek observation regarding genrification which i'm wondering if anyone else has noticed, is this 'new' sub-genre of techno which seems be getting alot of exposure lately, particularly by some promoters.

i'm talking about.....

B A N G I N G T E C H N O

BANGING TECHNO is obviously a sub-genre of techno, and i have noticed, over the last year, an increase in events which seem to be concentrating on showcasing this particular style of techno, and wondered if anyone knew of artists/labels/nights which would be best to listen to as an example of this increasingly popular sound.

i think that BANGING TECHNO must surely be the largest sub-genre of techno now..whaddya think?

*hrhr* lol

[Ruben A]

Banging techno - the description of having fun!
It works every time... so why is it HOUSE gets so much respect these years???
House makes me zzzzzzzzz.z.z.zzz..LOUNGE... zzzz.
The funny thing is that those housefreaks seems to like the banging techno events aswell... so why don´t they just stick to this instead??

I don´t get it!

Some say that the older people, who grow up with acid, chicago-house and rave in general are to ...yeah.."old" for keeping up the spirit?? So they fall down to house.. which is more ...yeahh.."house"-friendly..?!

ahahrhhr


:illin:

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by Ruben A

Some say that the older people, who grow up with acid, chicago-house and rave in general are to ...yeah.."old" for keeping up the spirit?? So they fall down to house.. which is more ...yeahh.."house"-friendly..?!

ahahrhhr


:illin:

.......what a nonsense...........
sometimes i think, the "old" people are just alone to keep the spirit.........everytime my heart bumps higher when i see young people with the door to the spirit.........
they fall down to house cos its friendly?......
hm.......for this you must understand what a human you are and what for information you need.....
for this there is one important thing. what willy you do in the music and what will the music do with you.........

[gunjack]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
B A N G I N G T E C H N O


http://erutufon.packts.net/erutufon-public/_WELCOME_TO_ERUTUFON_PUBLIC_FT P_/gunjack/hedshot.mp3

[c s]

Originally posted by Sheridan
but the same can be said of someone doing a live pa via gear and sequencers.

hmm i don't think so. the equipment is only the tool and says nothing about the outcome. whatever, i like

scraping techno! ;)

[karitek]

right now i think that a lot of this genre division thing is breaking down and people (at least in london) were starting to open up to hear more than their pigeonholed genres. A couple of years ago, most nights seemed to focus on only one type of music, while now you will go to a night that will have all ranges of techno, electro, dnb etc.

i also think that in the music being made genres are starting to intertwine, which may be one of the reasons for the plethora of new names for all these hybrid styles. even though journalists or whoever seem to be coming up with ridiculous names, i think that the punters and producers/djs are caring less and less about them.

[DsD]

Originally posted by Ruben A

Some say that the older people, who grow up with acid, chicago-house and rave in general are to ...yeah.."old" for keeping up the spirit?? So they fall down to house.. which is more ...yeahh.."house"-friendly..?!

ahahrhhr


:illin:

haha! i was a young boy at the acid time and i loved it. does that mean i have to hear house now? i don`t feel to old for banging techno cause i`m still young ;)

[Ruben A]

Originally posted by DsD


haha! i was a young boy at the acid time and i loved it. does that mean i have to hear house now? i don`t feel to old for banging techno cause i`m still young ;)

nonono.. please don´t misunderstand.
It´s just what some of us feel up here in the cold scandinavia.... fx. We don´t have a real tech-scene anymore..
BUT house..... like everyone changed their mind and found techno too "dirty" and more wanted to be a part of the jetset; listening to housemusic, going to the cool clubs, having expensive drinks, the right dresscode, looking good etc etc.... It´s a fucking haut couture!!
zzzzz.z.zzz.z.z.......zzz.z.z. zzzzz...z.z.z
S-U-C-K-E-R-S !

Now we are some few people left here trying to stop this from taking the control...

8-()

[jukka]

said in one sentence:
house is so hip !

btw. i would like to go to a party where the good old chicago house stuff is played !!!

[Mirsha]

I love all the different genres and their names and I see them as a general descriptive tool rather than an all encompasing thing. It's good to be able to describe a bit of music as say schranz for instance as it does bring to mind a number of descriptive attributes.

The bad side of it is when people focus down on a single style and exclude stuff from outside it smiply because it's not micro jazz step, all the different genres have their god side and bad side and it's really incorrect to say all of a genre is shit, unless you really have listened to everything in it.

Out of curisoty what are people calling the genre showcased by labels such as Sativae/Neue Heimat and other stuff in that style? I've never seen anyone use a good term for it that seems to have caught on.

[aleks]

Originally posted by Mirsha
Out of curisoty what are people calling the genre showcased by labels such as Sativae/Neue Heimat and other stuff in that style? I've never seen anyone use a good term for it that seems to have caught on.

wonky techno

[DsD]

i call it heimatmusik ;)

[Weishaupt]

Clapp, the 1286

names are borders!

[Mirsha]

Oh I forgot to mention I sometimes use the phrase "non-linear techno" to describe it because this just confuses people.

[Mirsha]

Originally posted by aleks


wonky techno
Top of the Wonky Techno sounds like a great replacement for Top 'o the Pop tarts.

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by aleks


wonky techno

Dunno, its a term used by some UK people into that sort of techno, but I've said it (wonky techno) a couple of times to people involved in the music as defined by that label and they looked at me gone out - I think the Sativae - Neue Heimat lot are concerned there just making techno - good techno of course... Speaks for itself, I listen to techno

Now what about nu-techno that's a genre that gets me really excited, I bet its really cutting edge stuff...

[Ruben A]

Brighton styled stuff??

[Weishaupt]

nobody understand me :-(

[octavedr]

There needs to be more cross-pollination between 'genres' I think and I'm talking about taking from the more mainstream stuff too. I don't want to get all arty farty and ramble on about post-modernism, but I think too many genres and people making music inside those genres aren't looking or listening across broad enough horizons... mix and match, sample it loop it ,fuck it eat it,spit it out , shove it on and spin it in....

[amble]

i'm not a big fan of genres myself, i'm alright with the big ones like jazz, techno, rock ect. but i really can't stand all those sub-sub-genres that seem to appear once every week. microhouse what? blip hop eh? fuck that - it's just music. good or bad.

i also sometimes think that labeling a specific artist under one genre is pretty much of an insult. every (good) artist is just doing his/her own style and that's it. comparisons lack objectivity.

so whenever i hear or read something like "..you gotta hear that, sounds like xy.." i know that i have to be careful about this - it's usually just a lame copy, trying to ride on other peoples success.

[owain_k]

Originally posted by Ruben A


nonono.. please don´t misunderstand.
It´s just what some of us feel up here in the cold scandinavia.... fx. We don´t have a real tech-scene anymore..
BUT house..... like everyone changed their mind and found techno too "dirty" and more wanted to be a part of the jetset; listening to housemusic, going to the cool clubs, having expensive drinks, the right dresscode, looking good etc etc.... It´s a fucking haut couture!! zzzzz.z.zzz.z.z.......zzz.z.z. zzzzz...z.z.z
S-U-C-K-E-R-S !

Now we are some few people left here trying to stop this from taking the control...

8-()

Do you get much "Deep-House" in your part of the world (god n i'm moaning about genre-isms :).... )

Just here in the UK, there is a long tradition of house music that is the complete opposite of what you describe above - pioneered (in a sense) by the likes of D.I.Y & Smokescreen sound systems since 1989/1990........kinda laidback and funked up music with absolutely no attitude,.......very nice parties....very nice people but certainly not techno! But, I do know many ex-techno heads who go to these parties coz they can't dance so fast anymore lol

But coming back to people finding Techno too dirty.......we have long had this problem in Wales (where i live)........there are many types here who are put off by the name but when they come to our parties say........."that's the best music i heard & ooooo, it's really nice here, everyone is so friendly!"

[octavedr]

Hey do Oxygen and the Dogs Bollocks crew still put parties on in Wales? I did one of my best ever live PA's at a Dogz event once...

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by c s


hmm i don't think so. the equipment is only the tool and says nothing about the outcome. whatever, i like

scraping techno! ;)

yes, thats what I was saying. I have seen good live pa/laptop sets, and I have seen bad ones.
good music is good music no matter how it is made.

[owain_k]

Originally posted by octavedr
Hey do Oxygen and the Dogs Bollocks crew still put parties on in Wales? I did one of my best ever live PA's at a Dogz event once...

Dunno about Oxygen but.....if you mean Mutts Nutts guys, I believe they are still knockin around. The main dude runs a P.A. hire company which my mate often uses for a small nite he runs.