Human cloning aka...

[a.rodin]

...the freak show. Anyone down with this? Remember Pet Cemetary?
They need to see this movie.
Some japanese couple apparently paid $200,000 to recreate their dead son.
I don't like it one bit. Biggest horror show since The Exorcist.
I mean a carrot is ok and so is a sheep kind of...but not US!!!

Leave US alone!!

We as a species can destroy the world. We shouldn't be allowed to do this. But we can. We shouldn't be able to play God. But we can.

What the fuck is going on? Please enlighten me cuz I figure 2003 is gonna be a pinnacle year for the 'world'.

politics vs. economy vs. war vs. ethics = no fun.

[goinz]

yeah that is right in 2003 the human doing is venturous. That is creepy.

[wired]

i'm 100% against cloning, too...
we shouldn't play god...

[namshub]

the bushes have been cloning for years.

[Basic]

..so have the trees8-()

[deccard]

if ya got a problem with technological progress than throw away your shoes, your spoon, knife, condoms, sequencers and all that other civilized crap. :)
i guess its just better to get rid of those greedy fools who reign us and all the techprogress would be really a positiv for the whole mankind.

btw atrocity is another name for human. look at the world. so nothing new in 2003. :!

[a.rodin]

Originally posted by deccard
if ya got a problem with technological progress than throw away your shoes, your spoon, knife, condoms, sequencers and all that other civilized crap. :)



... you are retarded. You should be a poster child for "People Against Cloning"

-I do hope you know wot I mean, bloke.

[invisibleplanet]

the japanese baby clone story: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/18/1042520823442.html

these claims were made by the Raelian Sect...read the article...it's weird and unconfirmed.

i personally would only have an objection to human cloning, if it were me to be cloned.

i realise that there are many ethical issues to be addressed in the cloning of humans, or any other mammal, however, i also don't think it's right to supress the current medical research in cloning.

[wheezer]

Originally posted by a.rodin




... you are retarded. You should be a poster child for "People Against Cloning"

-I do hope you know wot I mean, bloke.

well I for one, don't. care to enlighten me? certainly, there is no stopping technological progress...

[Mui]

wasn't it dutch lesbians that had a kid which is a clone of another done by the raelians as well?? Heh, that's what the world needs more of, dutch lesbians....

[deccard]

Originally posted by a.rodin




... you are retarded. You should be a poster child for "People Against Cloning"

-I do hope you know wot I mean, bloke.


i don´t know what u mean.

you paint a picture of a fucked up world in that mankind steps beyond a border it shouldn´t step but we did this all the time.

of course i´m against those experiments cause for one cloned sheep they needed 200 tries and i don´t wanna know how those "tries" looked. besides the living(surviving) cloned being still has genetic defects like aint being able to have children or they die young.

i do hope you now know what i meant, bloke.

[invisibleplanet]

i'm with u, on this one, deccard..

IMO and Nietzsche's, God is dead. Man can do what he likes, and take the consequences.

to prevent research into cloning, would be like saying to a human: "ok- so u discovered sex, now, because it's so very dangerous, u mustn't ever do it again."

it seems that the sheep DOLLY who was cloned, at age three, had a measured age of 9 (three years + the age of animal that DOLLY was cloned from). I think info like this will act as a big caution in human cloning: i wouldn't want to be the one to tell the cloned child it couldn't have children, and it was going to die young.

[goinz]

hm cloning is an attainment after what the mankind is looking since hundret of years. It was clear that they get the Information how to do it. But have i like it? No... That must not be.

[dirtyho]

Cloning per se isn't a problem, as GE experiments aren't per se a problem. However they are a problem in our society because they are not properly regulated by our governments - huge corporations desiring a profit in this financial quarter do not adopt the "precautionary principle" and therefore they endanger us in the scamble for filthy lucre.

[wheezer]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/01/21/cloned.cat.ap/index.html

[invisibleplanet]

exploiting our inability to deal with death as a finite inevitability and our longing for continuity, it seems that what these people really want is some spooky magic ritual to ensure the soul of their dead animal enters the body of the clone.

if the tibetans haven't managed to pinpoint the exact location of soul-entry into a re-incarnation in thousands of years, then it's unlikely we'll master this in the next few thousand, however, it won't stop some arsehole from making a few bucks along the way. we're a long way off still from being GOD.

i found that article very interesting, in as much as nature clearly still has the upper hand, and ensures that individuality and uniqueness is preserved even in a supposed copy.

[wheezer]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
i found that article very interesting, in as much as nature clearly still has the upper hand, and ensures that individuality and uniqueness is preserved even in a supposed copy.

bingo! this is really such a vague science at this point that more research should be done...

most people don't seem to know that e.g. the theory of revolution is just that atm, a theory (albeit a good one) for which conclusive proof has yet to be found...

[owain_k]

Think this whole cloning business needs to be approached with caution.....the problem is scientists think they got a clue after a few decades of research when to be honest, nature has taken millions of years to get where we are at now.....unfotunately, the greed which drives our economy just doesn't know when or where to stop !

[invisibleplanet]

yeah, o_k!

they appear to be in a similar position as the medieval alchemists, paracelsus et al, when 'science' was beginning to discover the elements which make up our world...it's pretty much where geneticists are today - trying to turn base metal to gold, and wandering what to do with all that lead.

[arar]

People play god all the time, from waging war, to deciding social security benefit levels, to dressing twins the same..Im not really that worried about the whole thing, this kind of thing will have a minimal impact aprat from moral panic fostered by the media

[wheezer]

this kind of thing will have a minimal impact

famous last words, eh?

[dirtyho]

I don't think introducing man-made changes at a genetic (and therefore self-replicating and mutating) level into biological organisms which co-inhabit our environment is clever. In the lab OK I guess. But GE food for instance, if you applied these techniques to producing a medical product it would have to pass really stringent regulation and testing regimes. Also in medicine people have a significant need for the technology (they are ill) and are made aware of the risks. In food it is purely driven by the profit motive, I can see no significant need for GE food and they are very dishonest in their PR approach, mixing of GE crops with non-GE etc.
As far as clones go, many possible side-effects are predicted with this technology and only a miniscule number of attempts work, the ones that don't produce some pretty fucked up specimens from what I've heard. Science shouldn't be allowed to regulate itself, their view is often too narrow and research is so wrapped up with corporates now.

[arar]

..which is precisely why its not going to have much effect...cloning is expensive..other areas are more interesting and importanat like germ line stuff...

[invisibleplanet]

I just met a human geneticist at the hairdressers! we went for a coffee after our coiffures, and had a pleasant discussion...
I'm going to email him this thread, to see if he will join in!

[haynusbrody]

RALIENS SUCK
AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THE CLONES
I WONDER IF THE ANTI CHRIST WILL COME FROM CLONE

[a.rodin]

I don't think anyone knew that creating the atom bomb would have such a crazy impact on the world we live in. The consequences to the economy and government priorities are to the point where it should not have been created. All that misdirected money! (Never mind the world living in paranoia.)

Anyways, my first post does not suggest that I'm not down with technological progress. It is with distaste on an ethical level that I can not fathom the human cloning process. You can not analogize that with the advent of the fork- there is no ethical dilemma with diapers either.

Perhaps with 'any' progress it is implied that it must be good?

Is nothing sacred anymore?

Do we take a utilitarian or self interest approach on whatever benefits mankind or makes someone rich that it should be created?
I guess that perhaps we as humans exist solely to use up resources as we wish- we have no accountability to ourselves or each other.
Reincarnation- take out or delivery? C.O.D.?

[m j]

Why all so are interested in a theme Human cloning? In the world so an overpopulation!Want the world famine?

[Yer_Maw]

nature is the worst genetic engineer out.

[Gameboy]

technology is natural..

[6sheep]

who said it`s okay to clone sheep ?