sharon

[nico]

i just watched the news. he got operated a second time today morning and his state gets more and more critical, so they say.
what do you believe will/could happen, if he doesn´t come back into politics ?

[spoon]

he needs to burn in hell for a while that guy.

[grobelaar]

The israelis will elect another leader - he'll carry on co-operating with the US to do their usual middle-east meddling - pretty simple really...

You wasn't hoping they might elect someone that might suddenly come to an amicable agreement with the palestinians was you?

[Yer_Maw]

well the reason he left lukid to start his own party was to come to a deal with the palistinians that his old party wouldnt accept.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

I'm sure we are all praying for a happy outcome.

[Tec]

She must be still well gutted about Dennis getting stabbed up in the square on New Years, poor love.

[bensonbenson]

I hate the way that it's so right-on to be anti-Israeli. Sharon's hardline is definitely anachronistic now, but it needs to be understood within the context of the intifada and the defence of Israel since its formation.

Funny about him and Arafat though - they always say that old couples tend to knock off soon after each other.

[phil]

It's fucking disgusting what the US/Israeli government do have done.
What was wrong with the 2 state solution put forward at Taba?

[spoon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4583928.stm

Q&A: Israel's political future
It now looks likely that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's poor health will prevent him from taking part again in political life in Israel. The BBC News website considers the consequences of the loss of such an important figure.

What happens if Mr Sharon doesn't return to politics?

Constitutionally, if Israel's prime minister becomes incapacitated, his deputy takes over as acting prime minister for a period of 100 days.

After that, the process of forming a new governing coalition kicks in, organised by the country's largely ceremonial president.

If the PM dies, the cabinet chooses a replacement.

However, Israel is due to hold early elections on 28 March, before the end of the 100 day period.

It seems likely therefore that elections will be fought, although under the markedly different circumstances of Mr Sharon's incapacity.

The early polls were triggered last year by the loss of support for Mr Sharon's governing coalition, and his decision to leave his Likud party and form a new centrist party, Kadima.

What is the future of Sharon's new party?

Kadima is Sharon and Sharon is Kadima.

It is the product of his domination of Israeli politics and was created to push through unhindered his political vision - especially in relation to the conflict with the Palestinians.

Until the late-night rush to hospital, it looked very much as if Mr Sharon's tactic, a massive gamble in many people's eyes, had paid off.

Now the party - without a leader, let alone a political programme or formal structure - looks a much less safe bet.

Great uncertainty therefore faces the politician who left Israel's historic Labour and Likud movements to join the centrist Kadima.

Can they use Sharon's legacy - alive or dead - to win power for themselves, or will the party fall apart without their leviathan?

Who are the main candidates to replace Sharon?

Within Kadima, there are a number of potential leaders, including his deputy Ehud Olmert, also finance minister, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, and perhaps the strongest contender, Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz.

All of them are former Likud hawks who backed Mr Sharon's withdrawal of troops and settlers from the Gaza Strip and four isolated West Bank settlements last summer.

The decision was controversial in the right-wing but popular among Israeli voters.

His arch rival, who stayed in Likud and won its leadership last month, Binyamin Netanyahu, may be the one poised to benefit from the ructions, although with Sharon in intensive care he is being careful not to be seen making political capital.

[e_wann]

just heard on the news that sharon will be held in an artifical coma at least untill tomorrow, and that a man of his age prob can't get back doing his normal bussines. and that the Pres of Iran hopes that he dies quickly:still rude and here i just wanted to pick up the thread of the old board from sheridan : how can people still deny the holocaust: in fact i wasn't saying that people have to stop wying about the holocaust but about the fact if it did happen: OFFCORSE , the Iran Pres. just looked for the best way to make a hussle in the world and making sure that his quote would get spread around. if he said in the news that he denied that congolese peoples hand were cut off by Leopold I , he wouldn't got that world news. it's all painfull truth to hear that people hurt people, i aint saying that just don't give people like him a forum/way to talk his shit

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

What I take from the Iranian presidents speech is not a denial of the holocaust, its recognition of how the holocaust is used as a brick wall to debate. Of course he delivered it in a way designed to cause maximum offence to Israelis because he clearly likes to get his face on newspapers and TV.

Accuse the Israeli government of Apartheid and you are branded an Anti-Semite and the debate is stifled. Suddenly you somehow have something in common with Nazis.

Now the people who actually fabricate and twist historical facts to deny the holocaust are a different matter, but they are best ignored and not given any publicity.

[e_wann]

clap clap clap 2 numbnuts, easier said then i could ever do

[M H]

It's fucking disgusting what the US/Israeli government do have done.
What was wrong with the 2 state solution put forward at Taba?

Bloody hell, is that actually an intelligent post from phil? I'm impressed!

[V Knid esq]

Sharon is a cunt. No doubt about this BUT he is far more of a pragmatist than any of the people likely to succeed him, and he HAS moved a fuck of a lot further than any other Israeli leader in history as far as giving up occupied territory etc goes. Not a lovely guy, but sadly the alternative is very likely a lot worse.

[Sheridan]

he needs to burn in hell for a while that guy.


jews don't believe in hell.