space cadets

[Yer_Maw]

possibly the worst practical joke in history. Apparently the cunning rouse cost £5million to stage. Would it not have been better to actually send someone into space? Therefore, they could do it, whats the joke? I really hope that when cunt faced johnny vaughn reveals the hilarious truth someone states the obvious, and says 'wanker.'

utter rubbish.

[grobelaar]

I really like how they've wittled down the hundreds of applicants to just a dozen of the most gullible people on the planet... In another life, those 12 people are probably on some Club Reps programme - buckets of enthusiasm, absolutely no brains whatsoever...

I reckon they'll have been too thorough, like they should have left a couple of clues around and then seen how easy it is for the production crew and the three plants to get out of a sticky situation.

Like filing off the English words on the light switches, personally that wouldn't even work for me, I'd be wondering why any words had been freshly filed off...

Plus they only win the money if they don't rumble it, so the moment you show any intelligence, you are doubtless thrown off the program and out into the post reality show interview with Vaughn where you tell everyone you opinions on your fellow space cadets.

[Daddys Girl]

didn't like it really. maybe it'll get funnier over time?
or not.

[Yer_Maw]

@grob, if they are that daft, why not tell them they are going to mars? that might be funny.

[don___quixote]

fuck it - tell the cunt's they're dead and they've gone to hell... that'd be good.

[yenorom]

They should give them fake suicide pills to take incase they get captured by space monsters.

[Spandex]

I caught a bit of it yesterday... but I missed the start, which was the bit I wanted to see. i.e. How they managed to find people stupid enough.

[joe pinapples]

Mon the foolish Space Cadet Glaswegians - big hair dumb fuck and the callcentre bird! If yer dumb enuf to think that Channel 4 can send 9 people into space when it cost 20 million to send that one millionaire cunt, then you deserve a slagging ... My opinion is that its better than Big Brother but not as good as the one with Miriam the bird thas really a guy - so therefore absolute shite.

[Yer_Maw]

wait ive just realised something. they really are pure "space cadets"

hohohoho

[joe pinapples]

http://www.wackywillysweb.com/joke_lottery_ticket/joke_lottery_ticket_surprise_1 .jpg

[grobelaar]

Nah, I think the tv show side of it is believable - it might 20million for one billionaire. But I reckon if you approached the Russian space agency for real and said you were a major television network and offered them a portion of the rights to any subsequent show/syndication of the format to other tv channels, they'd buy it...

What makes this bunch super fucking gullible is that they think that any fuckwit could be suitable for space travel - I mean look at the size of some of them - king bloaters in space...

[Loz]

I reckon malicious reality tv is the only kind worth it. Surely anyone who wants to be on reality tv deserves anything they get?

[Hand on the Plow]

I don't see the problem with it. I might even watch the second episode. How far do you reckon they will take it? actually as far as mocking up a launch?.. that would be pretty hard..

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Hand on the Plow
I don't see the problem with it. I might even watch the second episode. How far do you reckon they will take it? actually as far as mocking up a launch?.. that would be pretty hard..

I think they should actually have a launch. About 7 or 8 thousand feet up would be a classic time to tell them it's only a homemade rocket and not equipped for travelling in space at all.

[Loz]

apparently they plan to mock 5 days in space

(they've told the contestants it'll be in "near orbit" so that's why gravity will still be there)

[Patrick]

Sounds a bit like Capricorn 1, except without Capt. Charles Brubaker.

[grobelaar]

Watched it yesterday. This has got to be a wind-up. I mean a wind-up on the viewers. It's either that, or those 12 people are the stupidest people on Planet Earth.

Nah, I reckon it's just a big wind-up - they all know it's fake. Yesterday there was a couple of low shots and I swear you could see that the mission commander's moustache has no colour on the underside and the side shots, I think you can see something glossy like wig tape...

Just all looked totally phoney to me... Too many moments where the 'contestants' said ironically appropriate statements like 'this is just like a movie' and 'it's getting really real now' etc. Shame they're all fucking shit actors.

Like I said either that or they are just fucking stupid. Which also wouldn't surprise me. Maybe C4 could follow up with an in-depth look at Labour's education policy in action.

[Loz]

someone in one of the first episodes said "I bet this is a wind up by Zeppotron or someone" not sure they'd choose the drop that big a hint that they were in on it.

One of the actors is apparently quite well known, I've been told. The Charlie guy who's supposed to be a poet. He's a comedian on Radio 4, done a lot of work for Zeppotron in the past.

[joe pinapples]

This show sucks new heights of assdom for a reality tv show .. maybe if we're lucky this piece of shit will bring in the long building backlash against reality tv shows and the sad fucks who want to go on them .. probably not though:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41194000/jpg/_41194617_roberto300.jpg

[bracket]

I have only caught a little bit of the show but Booze reminded me that we have met this guy queing up to get into Public Life one Monday morning...

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/media/S/spacecadets/images/profile_images/Ryan.jpg

He was proper out of his box.

[love_tempo]

I read in the paper today that one version of the 'why gravity will still work' explanation was that they had installed artificial gravity generators in the craft. You'd have to be a bit fick and not just gullible to believe that.

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by [b]racket
I have only caught a little bit of the show but Booze reminded me that we have met this guy queing up to get into Public Life one Monday morning...

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/media/S/spacecadets/images/profile_images/Ryan.jpg

He was proper out of his box.

Isn't that Hazell in his big hair phase?

[Orang Utan]

Originally posted by love_tempo
I read in the paper today that one version of the 'why gravity will still work' explanation was that they had installed artificial gravity generators in the craft. You'd have to be a bit fick and not just gullible to believe that.
I keep seeing this but I don't agree - I know fuck all about science - I wouldn't know about artificial gravity. I don't regard myself as thick or gullible, just ignorant about science.

[Yer_Maw]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20051124.shtml

[decadnids]

have to agree with Orang Utan - as i know a lot of people who i don't consider to be thick but know nothing about science etc, and probably wouldn't realise that the creation of an artificial gravity isn't currently possible.

there is a lot of research going into this.

i do think that people who believe that C4 actually were planning on sending people to space are a little soft in the head.

[grobelaar]

yeah but you know we don't have artificial gravity don't you - you'd have heard about it by now - such a dramatic breakthrough would be headline news...

[decadnids]

Originally posted by grobelaar
yeah but you know we don't have artificial gravity don't you - you'd have heard about it by now - such a dramatic breakthrough would be headline news...

i would know about it... but i could name a hell of a lot of people who wouldn't know about it because they pay no attention to that sort of news.

[Orang Utan]

Originally posted by grobelaar
yeah but you know we don't have artificial gravity don't you - you'd have heard about it by now - such a dramatic breakthrough would be headline news...

Maybe, but I might not always think about it so enquiringly

[Orang Utan]

Originally posted by decadnids


i would know about it... but i could name a hell of a lot of people who wouldn't know about it because they pay no attention to that sort of news.

Sticks hand up!

[Hand on the Plow]

Originally posted by grobelaar
yeah but you know we don't have artificial gravity don't you - you'd have heard about it by now - such a dramatic breakthrough would be headline news...

If you're not in the slightest bit interested in science you wouldn't.

[grobelaar]

Well, I’m sorry to say, and maybe this is due to some sort of modern phenomenon – that people who study the media might be able to categorize, then people are getting more and more stupid. If Orang reckons he could be duped by the artificial gravity, god knows what these kids will believe… Perhaps it’s linked to the over-specialization thing – there’s so much info out there now that its broken down into the specialized chunks that you can easily just ignore, or just fill your life with Big Brother and horseshit.

Could this be why such stupid concepts as Christianity seemed to be on the rise…

Either that or Orang Utan only managed to not find himself on Space Cadets by dint of being a C4 employee… 

[decadnids]

Grobelaar - dont agree with you at all.

a lot of people "don't study" media they just watch the news, or tv programmes, or read the news-paper but they don't catagorise things.

for example, i reckon my sister, who i dont consider to be thick in any way, wouldn't know either way if there was a such a thing as means to create artificial gravities.

after all scientists are researching, and trying to create artificial gravities.

[grobelaar]

i'm sorry I don't agree - artificial gravity would be on the main evening news, it'd be in the papers (might even be front page, depending on what is happening) all over the internet etc. - it's right up there with cold fusion...

Just imagine how newsworthy have someone walking up a vertical surface in his artificial gravity boots would be...

[Hand on the Plow]

Grobs I think you're living in a bubble.

[bitch one]

an anti gravity bubble?

[decadnids]

Originally posted by grobelaar
i'm sorry I don't agree - artificial gravity would be on the main evening news, it'd be in the papers (might even be front page, depending on what is happening) - it's right up there with cold fusion...

Just imagine how newsworthy have someone walking up a vertical surface in his artificial gravity boots would be...

so - there was details of that oil plant fire on the front page of papers, on the news etc - and i know people who knew nothing about it - i don't consider then thick. - not quite sure what you are getting at.

so anything that is major front page news, everyone should know about it or they are thick...

[Hand on the Plow]

Originally posted by bitch one
an anti gravity bubble?

gubble.

I just had this identical argument with a group of people.. who also happen to be game developers like Grobs.. who don't seem to understand that not everyone is a sci-fi obsessive concerned with the science of flying robots ;)

Right I'm going xmas shopping, see you in a bit Dec!

[phil]

if people believe in artifical gravity they are thick cunts, end of

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by decadnids


so - there was details of that oil plant fire on the front page of papers, on the news etc - and i know people who knew nothing about it - i don't consider then thick. - not quite sure what you are getting at.

so anything that is major front page news, everyone should know about it or they are thick...

No they're ignorant!

[Spandex]

Was talking about this with my gf last night.. she reckoned it was very easy to get caught up in it all.. and I agreed.. but the point at which she suddenly went "ah.. ok.. that's ludicrous" is when I told her about the artificial gravity thing.

[grobelaar]

No, I don’t know what I’m getting at either anymore. I guess if it is a hoax (as in the whole programme) then I to a certain extent am right. Whereas if it is as it is presented 9 people duped into believing their in space then you lot are right and people really are fucking stupid. And for that I’m sorry. But if people can’t be bothered to stay abreast of what is going on around them, given how easy it has become to find these things out – then that is a very sorry state of affairs. I reckon people not knowing that Britain’s largest industrial accident happened yesterday is probably a good deal about why people can be duped into believe that anti-gravity motors exist and if you can’t see the link then fine, I live in my bubble on my own.

[Hand on the Plow]

Thats such bollocks Grobs, it's a totally subjective judgement based on what you personally deem as important areas of knowledge. (I mean anti-gravity not the oil explosion thing)

[kams]

as R Kelly said once...

"I believe I can fly"

[Orang Utan]

Anyway, the point is that these people have been duped not necessarily cos of their stupidity (though they do seem pretty dim), but because they really really want to be on the telly and that desires overrides any normal sense of proportion and holds them back from soberly analysing the facts and realising that it all a load of bollocks.

[love_tempo]

Fair enough, thick is a very harsh but maybe a bit ignorant. But I suppose I'm a scientist, and most of my friends are scientists or engineers so maybe I do live in a bubble of sorts.

I agree that many otherwise intelligent people I know might believe it.
But give your self credit Orang Utan, any intelligent person would figure this out fairly quickly given the way they have handled it. It's not just the gravity devices but the fact that they are being given completely conflicting information. Alarm bells should be ringing...but they are obviously fick or...more likely actors.

[Spandex]

Originally posted by Orang Utan
I keep seeing this but I don't agree - I know fuck all about science - I wouldn't know about artificial gravity. I don't regard myself as thick or gullible, just ignorant about science.

You seriously wouldn't know that an Artificial Gravity Generator was total sci-fi?

I really don't accept that expecting everyone to know that is somehow unreasonable... any more than it would be unreasonable to expect someone to know the story of "Romeo and Juliet". It's a sign of a massively one-sided education.

In fact, the "Romeo and Juliet" example is bad cos you've either seen/read it or not. A reasonable science education doesn't mean you have to learn a big list of what's possible and what's not... you can make educated guesses. And "antigravity" or "artificial gravity" are way out there with "teleportation" and "time machine" right now.

btw... I don't think you're thick or gullible either... just orange and weird :)

[Orang Utan]

Originally posted by Spandex


You seriously wouldn't know that an Artificial Gravity Generator was total sci-fi?

I'd never thought about it til today, but I guess not. If you'd sent me away to think carefully about it, I'd probably have said they didn't exist, but I wouldn't have been 100%

[bitch one]

there is a funny blank spot that creative folk have for sciencey things tho, i notice it here at work a lot. otherwise very intelligent people, as soon as you mention anything vaguely sciencey their eyes glaze over. and you often hear newsreaders or whoever going 'ooh i wonder what that was about' after some science item. and of course look at the shit science progs the beeb turns out too.

i blame the education system - lack of good science teachers, and tendency to put people in either 'arty' box or 'science' box

[Spandex]

@orang

Ok. That's diffrunt :)

I thought you meant you'd have no clue (btw.. do you want to buy a perpetual motion machine? you can use it to generate free electricity... only £3,999 .. PM meh)

[Orang Utan]

Originally posted by love_tempo
But give your self credit Orang Utan, any intelligent person would figure this out fairly quickly given the way they have handled it. It's not just the anti-gravity devices but the fact that they are being given completely conflicting information. Alarm bells should be ringing...but they are obviously fick or...more likely actors.
Yeah, but I'm not a wannabe - I don't want to be on the telly - I wouldn't have been picked.
They might be thick but the fact that they are desperate wannabes is the most salient fact here.
I assure you they are not actors.

[Lighter Thief]

It is not a matter of whether the protagonists are thick as two short ones or not...

...the entire issue is irrelevant because the WHOLE PROGRAMME IS A PILE OF UTTER SHIT.

An entire series built around one (ONE!) joke - and not even a very funny joke - is not worth 20p let alone the millions it's costing them to make.

The one and only way they can possibly make it remotely good is by actually sending them into space, so the joke's on all of us.

And that's not going to happen is it?

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by Orang Utan


I assure you they are not actors.

How do you know? They could have set up an inner sanctum at C4, possibly the whole company works on many different levels of security. You're not telling me you're ignorant as to the day-to-day running of a decent intelligent agency... :)

Seriously though, do you think they could even have duped the staff at C4 - it could all be on a 'need-to-know' basis...

[Lighter Thief]

It's just shit. Stop thinking about it. You'll feel better.

[Spandex]

heheheh.. calm blue ocean.. calm blue ocean

[decadnids]

Originally posted by Lighter Thief
It's just shit. Stop thinking about it. You'll feel better.

wise words! and i am not taking the piss.

this should be applied to most things in life.

[Spandex]

Originally posted by decadnids
wise words! and i am not taking the piss.

Yeh man... Lighter Teef gets my vote

[Orang Utan]

Originally posted by grobelaar


How do you know? They could have set up an inner sanctum at C4, possibly the whole company works on many different levels of security. You're not telling me you're ignorant as to the day-to-day running of a decent intelligent agency... :)

Seriously though, do you think they could even have duped the staff at C4 - it could all be on a 'need-to-know' basis...
I guess that's possible - I just don't see why the production company would do that and why the channel would want to be involved in it.

[wheezer]

Originally posted by grobelaar
yeah but you know we don't have artificial gravity don't you - you'd have heard about it by now - such a dramatic breakthrough would be headline news...

I wouldn't consider myself uninterested in science and the fact that people were able to raise dogs from the dead (http://news.com.com/2061-11204_3-5777094.html) completely passed me by this year.

it's a big world, and a lot of science going on - how is anyone supposed to keep track of it? even very accomplished scientists tend to work in one particular field...


anyone remember what happened to the various people that said they could make light move faster than the speed of light?

[Spandex]

Originally posted by wheezer
it's a big world, and a lot of science going on - how is anyone supposed to keep track of it? even very accomplished scientists tend to work in one particular field...

We should talk further.. I have some exciting investment opportunities for you... i take it you're unfamiliar with the field of... boobulamatronics?

[Hand on the Plow]

Originally posted by bitch one
there is a funny blank spot that creative folk have for sciencey things tho, i notice it here at work a lot. otherwise very intelligent people, as soon as you mention anything vaguely sciencey their eyes glaze over. and you often hear newsreaders or whoever going 'ooh i wonder what that was about' after some science item. and of course look at the shit science progs the beeb turns out too.

i blame the education system - lack of good science teachers, and tendency to put people in either 'arty' box or 'science' box

dunno.. most of the creative people I know are pretty sciencey though :)

At my school we had the choice 'science box' or 'science box'.

[thomas hooked]

that would fuckin break my heart and ruin my life if i thought id been to space and hadn't. bastards. yep. as spandex says- the average education is far from being hollistic.the holes in most peoples education, even people who in their specialist fields might be near-genius, are vast. five minutes in the company of my dad makes me feel like an iddiot, and he's no brainiac. recently i have heard two friends over here- both very bright, funny, successful girls come up out with the following-
1.(whilst looking at the nightsky)"if there's shooting stars all the time, how come some of the constellations up there have been there for years"

She later asked me "what was the point in the moon?"
When i said it didn't have a point, she said "Course it has, everything's got a point- the Sun heats the earth- what does the moon do."

2. (whilst watching a doco about WW2 battles between Germany and Russia) "But I thought Hitler was a Communist?"

[Hand on the Plow]

Never mind a holistic education... I've met a working doctor who didn't know that stars.. and our sun.. are the same things... I mean you'd hope a medical doctor had some kind of rudimentary grasp of physics...

[thomas hooked]

oh yeah. holistic rather. girl a didn't know that either and thought the sun was smaller than the earth.

[phil]

people like to think they have got to the heart of things by being all encompassing and all that fucing bollocks. but the truth is If u think u can defy gravity then u are a cunt. so all of this, yeah but i know a doctor who didnt know a star was smaller than a current bun thats by the by, and hes probably a cunt too. deal with the fact that most people are fucking cunts

[gypsy_cream]

current buns in space? what? oh

[phil]

oi tom did u know im going out with chew now. sortwick...><

[Tec]

http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~chris/humour/image/clippings/time_travel.gif

[Lady E]

Originally posted by Spandex


You seriously wouldn't know that an Artificial Gravity Generator was total sci-fi?

I really don't accept that expecting everyone to know that is somehow unreasonable... any more than it would be unreasonable to expect someone to know the story of "Romeo and Juliet". It's a sign of a massively one-sided education.

In fact, the "Romeo and Juliet" example is bad cos you've either seen/read it or not. A reasonable science education doesn't mean you have to learn a big list of what's possible and what's not... you can make educated guesses. And "antigravity" or "artificial gravity" are way out there with "teleportation" and "time machine" right now.




im very educated and intelligent etc but my grasp of scientific concepts is shaky and concomitant with my perceived notion of their unfathomable abstractness.
i wouldnt class people with a lack of understanding in this area as being ignorant, just as i don't look down on those who don't read as much or know as much about literature as i do...horses for courses. i have to say that i could easily accept, without thinking about it, the existence of an 'anti-gravity' device - whatever that might be, because we are bombarded by meaningless pseudo scientific terms all the time.

im trying to think about it now but it is hurting my brain. why would they or anyone need an anti-gravity device? how do they simulate weightlessness when they train astronauts? what is it all about?

[Tec]

Originally posted by phil
oi tom did u know im going out with chew now. sortwick...><

Nice one mate, gettin' ting n ting over xmas is custardcore.

[Lady E]

Originally posted by thomas hooked
that would fuckin break my heart and ruin my life if i thought id been to space and hadn't. bastards. yep. as spandex says- the average education is far from being hollistic.the holes in most peoples education, even people who in their specialist fields might be near-genius, are vast. five minutes in the company of my dad makes me feel like an iddiot, and he's no brainiac. recently i have heard two friends over here- both very bright, funny, successful girls come up out with the following-
1.(whilst looking at the nightsky)"if there's shooting stars all the time, how come some of the constellations up there have been there for years"

She later asked me "what was the point in the moon?"
When i said it didn't have a point, she said "Course it has, everything's got a point- the Sun heats the earth- what does the moon do."

2. (whilst watching a doco about WW2 battles between Germany and Russia) "But I thought Hitler was a Communist?"

in the last few years i had to ask my boyfriend about the moon, and whether it was ours or if we shared it with anyone...i just clean forgot, hadnt been using that knowledge consciously for so long, i needed to check.

yes alright im a bit dappy.

[phil]

Originally posted by Tec


Nice one mate, gettin' ting n ting over xmas is custardcore.

yeah -what present have you got for your girlfriend?

[Tec]

Originally posted by phil


yeah -what present have you got for your girlfriend?

Some Agent Provocateur gear, A pair of Jimmy Choo's and a Linksys bracelet.

[phil]

Originally posted by Tec


Some Agent Provocateur gear, A pair of Jimmy Choo's and a Linksys bracelet.


i got her some Ferrero Roche for her Bday whic is bad. even tho they are like Bio-spheres there fuckin shit.
its hard buying presents for women. I just dont know. i prefer something with bit of thought, i guess the agent provocateur aspect could be goodie but it also could be a bit embarressing, nice things can be embarressing. i reckon i may get her something useful

[Patrick]

Originally posted by thomas hooked
She later asked me "what was the point in the moon?"
When i said it didn't have a point, she said "Course it has, everything's got a point- the Sun heats the earth- what does the moon do."



The moon does have a point - it's where we mine cheese from. Fancy not knowing that. And to think you sneered at that poor girl when she was on the right track all along. I hope you feel bad now, thomas, I really do.;)

[thomas hooked]

Originally posted by phil
oi tom did u know im going out with chew now. sortwick...><


hahahahahahahaha. actually that works. good on you both. back at xmas. hope to see you both in jan

[thomas hooked]

im getting my girl a childrens book on astronomy. with clear diagrams.

[phil]

Originally posted by thomas hooked



hahahahahahahaha. actually that works. good on you both. back at xmas. hope to see you both in jan

u back for good? yeah should go out for sure, if your not doing anythin nye u should come to gehnt

[thomas hooked]

ghent? serious? whatup there?

[Tec]

Originally posted by phil



i got her some Ferrero Roche for her Bday whic is bad. even tho they are like Bio-spheres there fuckin shit.
its hard buying presents for women. I just dont know. i prefer something with bit of thought, i guess the agent provocateur aspect could be goodie but it also could be a bit embarressing, nice things can be embarressing. i reckon i may get her something useful

Women don't want usedul things, they want things that make them feel confident, sexy, wanted, etc. She could always use the bag for something useful.

..get her classy (but sexy) underwear..new relationship vibe n all that. Women love all that stuff and you will too probably...two for the price of one in many respects, not even woolworths can't match that shit.

[phil]

Originally posted by Tec


Women don't want usedul things, they want things that make them feel confident, sexy, wanted, etc. She could always use the bag for something useful.

..get her classy (but sexy) underwear..new relationship vibe n all that. Women love all that stuff and you will too probably...two for the price of one in many respects, not even woolworths can't match that shit.


Ill buy her a bert and ernie backpack innit.

[phil]

Originally posted by thomas hooked
ghent? serious? whatup there?

yeah serious, andys playing

[Tec]

http://www.mielczarek-os.de/Rucksack.jpg

you could get 'chew' written on the top instead of Tommo

[thomas hooked]

that sounds good. not that big on the dollar right now though. got to get my driving license in jan.

has tec actually met chew?

[Tec]

yeah, briefly.

[phil]

chews funny! totally sorted human

[thomas hooked]

yeah totally. and the thought of her getting all cosmo about some $100000 pants made by westwood's ginger brat is so bent its unfunny.

[phil]

yeah right, would be embarressing - what u reckon i should get tom

[thomas hooked]

dunno. i reckon you'll nail it no worries but whatever it is i don't reckon itll make sense to anyone outside the chewphilosphere.

[Lady E]

i like getting useful things.

reference books being my main joy.

id like to be taken to a beautiful vintage clothes shop and be allowed to choose something, that would be a perfect present for me.

my best birthday present this year was a living soil composting system. rather that than jimmy choos any day!

[Spandex]

Originally posted by Admin
i wouldnt class people with a lack of understanding in this area as being ignorant, just as i don't look down on those who don't read as much or know as much about literature as i do

I *would* class it as ignorant if it's a total lack of understanding of the basics.. but I wouldn't say that means that I'd "look down" on people. It's just something I'd want to fix if it was me.. cos there's a whole world of interesting stuff that's easy to understand.

And in the reverse direction, your knowledge of literature is probably vastly greater than mine... and we wouldn't have to talk for very long at all before you could start telling me interesting stuff I never knew. e.g. I know some things about James Joyce and have some preconceptions about it being quite mental.. but never actually read any.. ditto for loads of famous/important authors.

But I would think I was ignorant about literature if our conversation started with me drawing a blank on the whole subject and saying "James who??" :)

[bitch one]

yeah, i agree spandex. it's weird that people can have a total lack of general knowledge in this area. again i blame education and this wrong idea that you have to have a special kind of brain to understand basic science, i just don't think that's true at all.

it don't surprise me, the story about the doctor. i used to be a medical stoodent and there were some seriously ignorant folk there who were still good at passing exams.

[Tec]

Originally posted by Admin
i like getting useful things.

reference books being my main joy.

id like to be taken to a beautiful vintage clothes shop and be allowed to choose something, that would be a perfect present for me.

my best birthday present this year was a living soil composting system. rather that than jimmy choos any day!

Was joking on the Choos bit...ain't got that kind of dollar spare. I always got my missus useful things at xmas, printer, digi cam...sometimes a girl might wanna fell glammed up innit? Not just generic goods anybody could buy you.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by bitch one
yeah, i agree spandex. it's weird that people can have a total lack of general knowledge in this area. again i blame education and this wrong idea that you have to have a special kind of brain to understand basic science, i just don't think that's true at all.


i am not sure if i agree that its ignorant for people to know about the workings of gravity.

i mean, there is research into artificial gravity, and on paper it is feasible. its all about centrifugal force aint it.

i dont think you need a special kind of brain to understand basic science, but you do have to be INTERESTED in it to actually want to keep the knowledge there.

i am not interested in x-factor, or any of the popular media stuff that i think is total gumph - so in a general knowledge quiz i would appear totally "ignorant" when it comes to anything to do with certain aspects of modern media. because i am not interested in it.

for example a lot of people i know who use computers don't know what a Byte is, what a Bit is etc. they dont need to know, it isn't important to them.

but saying that, i would have thought that if people really wanted to go into space rather than really want to be on TV, then they would have some knowledge of space travel, and all that. and its clear that these people were chosen because they didnt know anything about space travel, astronomy, etc - otherwise they would have just said "this is bollocks" and wouldn't have made good tv.

[Spandex]

Well.. yeh.. I'm ignorant about X-factor too. But I'd feel a bit worse about that if I was actually *on* the show :) I don't think it's fair to compare "knowledge of how our world works" to "knowledge of X-factor".

And artificial gravity isn't something anyone's working on (edit: AFAIK anyway)... but yeh there's lots of stuff about simulating it with centripetal force.. rotating space stations etc. So the idea that there could be some sort of gravity-like force on board a space station isn't ludicrous at all... but the idea that, on a ship that's not spinning, there's something under the floor that you can turn on and it makes gravity.. well it just doesn't stand up to a moment's critical thought. Why don't they turn them upside down and use them to lift things? Or flip it into reverse and float off into the sky on their antigrav sled :)

[decadnids]

Originally posted by Spandex
Why don't they turn them upside down and use them to lift things? Or flip it into reverse and float off into the sky on their antigrav sled :)

yeah, basically those people are stupid idiots. dunno why i am trying to defend them

i dont even watch the program, was told to day that they had the take off, and they commented on how smooth it was... i mean even in an airplane you get some feeling of "taking off"

but, it does seem like people are "working on" artificial gravity


"For the first time since I began working on this in the 1960s, I think it is being taken seriously. We have a critical mass of really good people working on it…and support in Washington, D.C.," Young said.


http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/artificial_gravity_041125.html

[Spandex]

edit: dec.. i think that link is about another rotational system. but they're saying they're not looking to create 1G.. just a room with *some* force.. and investigating the health effects etc.

Yeh.. getting back to Space Cadets (and ignoring Lighter Thief's sage advice)... I watched it again last night and started feeling really sorry for them. I'm not sure about the lass.. but the two blokes KNOW it's faked... they keep saying things about "wouldn't it be funny if we heard someone coughing outside" etc etc... just wanting someone else to say "hmm.. maybe we ARE still on the ground".. but not daring to be the first to do it. I think it must be really stressful. Poor fuckers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

[decadnids]

poor sods. i am gonna take Lighter Thiefs advice and not think about it...

i am gonna think about trees and stuff like that.

[gypsy_cream]

phil, chew seems well cool, nice one!!

[kams]

Originally posted by Spandex
I'm ignorant... I don't think...

there's something under the floor... Why? flip it :)

[Spandex]

Damn. Cassetteboyed.

[Orang Utan]

Somebody must have rumbled it, cos they've pulled the live feed

[kams]

Originally posted by Spandex
Damn. Cassetteboyed.

:)

[bitch one]

it's hard for a sciencey bods like me to imagine not having any interest whatsoever in really basic shit like what the sun is etc. how can you not know that? it freaks me out actually.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by bitch one
it's hard for a sciencey bods like me to imagine not having any interest whatsoever in really basic shit like what the sun is etc. how can you not know that? it freaks me out actually.

yeah me too - but some people dont care what the sun is.

i mean, it freaks me out that people cant name the planets in our solar system, dont actually know anything about the concept of a solar system, or a galaxy, or anything else like that.

but then we are, after all, mostly geeks.

[Lady E]

i am interested - i do read about it - i read the science news, i sometimes get new scientist and im reading that bill bryson book and i have read other pop science and part of my MA was on science and the media and and and

BUT: my brain does not retain or easily understand this information.

when i was at school doing GCSEs my chemistry teacher told my mum i was a future nobel prize winning scientist. she based this (i am assuming) on my perpetual asking "why?" and not wanting to be told facts without wanting to know how they knew this, etc. my mind boggled constantly. i used to cry sometimes. it hurts me and my poor befuddled brain. maths does too. IT DOESNT MAKE AUTOMATIC SENSE.

i totally agree that science and arts need to be much better intergrated. it is the holy grail in schools these days - cross curricular planning. at university they love talking about it, but go into any school and say those three words in the staff room and you would be deafened by the laughter then frozen out by the disinterest.

however i am a good little trainee and i will be trying to integrate science into my cosy english world wherever it is appropriate.

[Orang Utan]

I only read about science cos I feel I ought to - I don't really care about what the sun is made of. I don't like feeling ignorant though, so I read pop science books (there's a few I can't finish though - like Richard Fortey's The Earth - it's hard to summon up the motivation to read about geology, no matter how well written about it is)

[bitch one]

i don't think i've ever read a popular science book all the way through. rather read a novel thanks.

unless you count the marks and spencer ones i read when i was 7. there was one called 'the universe and the earth' i got for christmas and i read it cover to cover loads of times and it was full of all this general knowledge stuff we're talking about

maybe it's to do with parenting actually, cos don't all children ask their parents what the sun is at a certain age? and it should be the parent's job to explain it properly

[Hand on the Plow]

Originally posted by bitch one
it's hard for a sciencey bods like me to imagine not having any interest whatsoever in really basic shit like what the sun is etc. how can you not know that? it freaks me out actually.

Me too. But then I've had an education that taught me to ask questions about everything.. and my dad was an engineer.. so it's hard to be unbiased from that background.

Originally posted by bitch one
maybe it's to do with parenting actually, cos don't all children ask their parents what the sun is at a certain age? and it should be the parent's job to explain it properly


Nail on the head I think. But it's still a failing of the education system at large.

[phil]

All the schools in the Uk are run by Masons or funded by masons. Schools are patently pointless in the scheme of things. May as well do what you like

[Spandex]

Originally posted by Admin
my mind boggled constantly

Well I think you probably ARE quite scientific then :) It's all about boggling.

I've changed my mind about the space cadet people.. I no longer think they're the most gullible people in the world and have started to really feel for the poor fuckers. I suspect that they thought the grav thing was iffy but (like many people here) wouldn't feel confident enough in that knowledge to challenge someone claiming to be an expert. I think it'd take someone who really KNEW about space travel not to go along with it.

[Hand on the Plow]

Originally posted by Spandex
I suspect that they thought the grav thing was iffy but (like many people here) wouldn't feel confident enough in that knowledge to challenge someone claiming to be an expert. I think it'd take someone who really KNEW about space travel not to go along with it.

Yep. And the whole point is the only time they 'fell' for anything was on day one when they accepted it. They have been sitting in these lessons a lot longer than the period of time the show has been on TV.

It's all about context, they have been fed 10% lies hidden within 90% truth by people they believe to be experts. They only show the bits that make them look stupid on TV. They were chosen because they aren't the most inquisitive people to begin with.

[phil]

i think u are as much of a mug as they are mate, chatting so much shit about how them cunts brains work., they are low spec entry level Diseriion cunts how need brock up .

[Hand on the Plow]

Hello Phil! Shall we go play in the sandpit?

[phil]

yes steev and at the 'end' of the 'day' you could tot up 10% of all the time you waste being on the dole writing about mugs on tv and send that time to dead dred who would be able to put that time on the counter and never answer the question about what time it is.

[Hand on the Plow]

The time is: I'm not on the dole o'clock.
We better get you cleaned up before your mummy comes to pick you up.

[phil]

turned yourself into a banner ad mayte, gonna have to install a triple X dialer in your message box mayte

[Hand on the Plow]

Is that poo on your leg?