Is Squarepusher finished?

[anarchosyn]

You know, I've always felt Tom Jenkinson was a bright lad. I first got to see the person behind the gear via the documentary "Modulations". He seemed pretty unpretentious then, but nowadays you read any of the crap he says about his releases (the philosophical rant included with his "Untitled" EP released before "Do You Know Squarepusher" and stuff about Ultravisitor being the end all of music) and he seems to have gone off a deep end somewhere. I hate to use terms like "pretensious twat", but if this stuff is said straight faced.. well..

Anyhow, I just relistened to Ultravisitor and - although I REALLY dug the album when released - it seems to have lost its initial magic. Yeah, some tracks are still nice, but am I alone in feeling it's kind of sloppy, noisy and unlistenable straight through? I always find myself listening to 3-4 tracks and that's it.

Anybody know if he has anything else coming down the pipe, or was Ultravisitor his climax? FYI: Tundra 4 was his real climax, frickin amazing track

It's a sad fate for envelope pushers (SQPusher, AE, Aphex, etc). They had an edge because of technology, but now the envelope they pushed is becoming accessable to anybody with a copy of reaktor, working knowledge of BBCut or a DestroyFX plugin. This is not to say they don't hold real talent, but their capacity to amaze (beyond merely amuse) really came from exploiting structures electronic music wasn't used to at the time (and that time is passed). The pressure to innovate (something mr.twin started with his massive RDJ change up - or was it m_ziq that went left field first?) may be to much for their publicists to bear now. Can we expect them to have learned something from Michael Jackson, opting to ride the infamy of their earlier works and not sully the legacy with modern releases?

[Konx-om-Pax]

his contract is finished with warp now but he might re-sign... looking forward to meeting him in a few weeks.

[garew]

I haven't heard anyone do something as incredible as gwarek or windowlicker even with Reaktor and bbcut available. I don't think there is a gluttony of wonderful electronic music about these days as a result of readily available software..

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by garew
I haven't heard anyone do something as incredible as gwarek or windowlicker even with Reaktor and bbcut available. I don't think there is a gluttony of wonderful electronic music about these days as a result of readily available software..

gwarek doesn't ring a bell at the moment, but what was amazingly unusual about windowlicker at the time were the edits - which came from him using post production pro-tools-esque cuts in the finished track. This has now been used like mad all over the place (Do you Know Squarepusher is the SQP-windowlicker imho).

It's still a solid track, but wouldn't be as innovative today as it was then because people have become accustomed to the technology that allowed for the unusual-factor, know what I mean? Yeah, long sentance.. I have to take a shower now :)..

Again, I'm not trying to mimimize the talent of these people. A solid track and an unusual track are generally two seperate things, and these blokes have specialized in doing both to the hilt. LTJ Bukem makes really nice tracks, but they aren't very unusual. They're just solid, and flow well (fyi - I'm not actually a fan, just using the example). Aphex has made a name being GOOD and Unusual, and I think his fans expect that of him. If he releases an album that's merely good, then he would probably take shit for not pushing the envelope (i.e. he would let his fans down). the fact his analord stuff is vinyl only (smaller listening market) I think ties into this. They are all pretty interesting, but only in that LTJ Bukem way I mentioned before.

One last example, his famed Bouncing Ball track from Come to Daddy doesn't sound nearly as mind bending today because we all know what Max/Msp is. Back then, people knew about x0x sequencers and 303s. The times tilt our ears.

[Loz]

what is it with electronic musicians having to be 'innovative' all the time? Is this the 'space race' that Jamie talks about?

Why can't music just be good?

[penciLneck]

*similar thought*

bit critical. wot.

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by Loz
what is it with electronic musicians having to be 'innovative' all the time? Is this the 'space race' that Jamie talks about?

Why can't music just be good?

They don't, and most don't even try. The Warp boys MADE (directly, through their releases) a conscious effort to make innovation and reinvention a part of their trademark. This, I'm musing, is coming around to bite them in the ass today. Aphex, for example, could have released each of those records with different sounds under different names - but he wanted Aphex Twin to be understood as undefinable, and thus envelope pushing.

I dare say 99% of the e-musicians out their don't try to reinvent themselves each record, nor do they give lipservice to it.

I think the divide is between e-musicians and experimental e-musicians. It becomes a vicious cycle of expectation when your last 5 outputs have not only aurally pushed the envelope but you include manifestos verbally upping that ante as well (as squarepusher has done). and, when they've made music their day job for the last 10 years I'm sure pleasing their audience is somewhere in the back of their minds. Who wants to start working at Mcdonalds after being on top of it all?

Loz, I'm not saying they should reinvent themselves again - merely that they are caught in this cycle and I wouldn't be suprised if they opted to not do any full length releases for awhile because of it (and then suffer the fate of Plastikman).

I also agree that the space-race is fairly lame and makes for some wonky, pointless music (*cough* AE *cough*). Personally, I actually dig Aphex's older material FAR more than his newer. his classic techno stuff is sorely missed. AE peaked with LP5 (but Tri/Anvil Vapor was the definitive album), and Squarepusher has been solid throughout, but FeedMe_Weird stands out impressively to Ultravisitor any day of the week. These are my personal, subjective opinions. On the otherhand, their "reinvention" has helped me to grow as well. I just hope this "space-race" doesn't hold them back from releasing more to the massessssss.

[Konx-om-Pax]

YOU DON'T NEED FUGGIN PLUGINS TO MAKE GOOD MUSIC. JUST USE YOUR IMAGINATION. THATS WHAT ITS THERE FOR.

[anarchosyn]

Humm.. I tried using my imagination once to create a miami bass track, but in the end I had to settle for an 808 since nobody could hear my imagination directly.

I tried whistling to make a chicago styled acid track, but ultimately copped to a 303 'cause the crowd was growing restless.


-- sick

Do you think people didn't "imagine" a bouncing ball type track before Aphex? Try twiddling in that pattern on a tr-606, then try Max/Msp.


Specific technology is a necessary concern in electronic music. It creates limitations, changes workflows and opens doors.

It is not the "end-all, be-all" but it is a component. Take the most talented musician in the world, put him in a box - naked - and tell him to write a drum'n bass track. Can't be done.

[Konx-om-Pax]

[i]Specific technology is a necessary concern in electronic music. It creates limitations, changes workflows and opens doors. [/B]

i could have a long winded and pointless arguement here with you but can't be arsed. I just think folk think they need the latest shit to do stuff and it pisses me off when they're a distinct lack of imagination in a lot of new "electronic" music these days.

[pille'ocheoni]

hehe. mind masterbastion is cool. tricks are cool, and when you can incorperate imagination and tricks together its really cool. i incourage all to keep pushing the envelope.

SP done>? hmm who knows. afx done? i bet not, AE? ehhh i never was impressed. the rest of them, who the fuck knows.

but regarding tricks, and this trite ass over complicated grouping about the use of reaktor. your dumb. dont playa hate, look for brighter skies, and shit will change, for better or worse fuck i dont know that either.

[Loz]

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That is Pille's evilest post ever....

[pille'ocheoni]

hehe, you know it, ;) nothing personal, its sunday. smile bitches :)

[Konx-om-Pax]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
hehe. mind masterbastion is cool. tricks are cool, and when you can incorperate imagination and tricks together its really cool. i incourage all to keep pushing the envelope.

SP done>? hmm who knows. afx done? i bet not, AE? ehhh i never was impressed. the rest of them, who the fuck knows.

but regarding tricks, and this trite ass over complicated grouping about the use of reaktor. your dumb. dont playa hate, look for brighter skies, and shit will change, for better or worse fuck i dont know that either.

agree with you.

[anarchosyn]

I'm not here to get in an argument with you, mate. I'm on your side actually - nothing in my studio has been made in the last 5 years, outside of midi controllers. Technology IS a necessary component, this we can agree to disagree on (but I can't see how you could, unless you don't write em or something). If I want to have a vocal sample in my track get cut up on the phonemes and rearranged in the key of my melody whilst being panned and granulated I will need not only that idea but also the equipment to make it happen. I might not need the Latest Thing (tm), but I will need something. Technology aids one to sketch ideas quicker, which keeps them purer and fresher.

I feel your pain, but its the nature of humanity that some innovate while other (the majority) imitate. Don't hold that against the technology. Drum'N bass came about not only because samplers were invented but also because some bloke had an Idea. This fact should not downplay the reality that both the Idea and Technology played a role here (the reality needed both, not one or the other, to come into fruition).

[KaOz]

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[Konx-om-Pax]

Originally posted by anarchosyn
I'm not here to get in an argument with you, mate. I'm on your side actually - nothing in my studio has been made in the last 5 years, outside of midi controllers. Technology IS a necessary component, this we can agree to disagree on (but I can't see how you could, unless you don't write em or something). If I want to have a vocal sample in my track get cut up on the phonemes and rearranged in the key of my melody whilst being panned and granulated I will need not only that idea but also the equipment to make it happen. I might not need the Latest Thing (tm), but I will need something. Technology aids one to sketch ideas quicker, which keeps them purer and fresher.

I feel your pain, but its the nature of humanity that some innovate while other (the majority) imitate. Don't hold that against the technology. Drum'N bass came about not only because samplers were invented but also because some bloke had an Idea. This fact should not downplay the reality that both the Idea and Technology played a role here (the reality needed both, not one or the other, to come into fruition).

its cool. just very tired. but a head strong bastard as well:)

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
but regarding tricks, and this trite ass over complicated grouping about the use of reaktor. your dumb. dont playa hate, look for brighter skies, and shit will change, for better or worse fuck i dont know that either.

?? Are you talking to me? If so, I think we either fundamentally disagree over how god-touched aphex twin is OR you misunderstood me.

What i said about Warp-ies having an edge because of technology is TRUE. Otherwise, you're saying they are musicians beyond the comparison of others.

For clarity, Aphex (for example) isn't a better melody constructer than many other musicians out there, nor is he a better beat creator. He was just lucky enough to have all the gear to put his ideas out when others didn't. When people started to amass studios to allow them to rival his sound, he switched to the new cutting edge of sound manipulation, and was regarded as fresh-untouchable-beyond understanding again because of his tools.. to say otherwise is putting the bloke on a pedestal. Yes, yes - he had ideas in his head to make those tools work for him (isn't that obvious?), but those ideas alone aren't worth much without the means of expressing them.

Technology, in some respects DOES limit you. I can write some slick DnB styled music, but can I do Go Plastik? Hell no, because I just lack the technology to pitch modulate my loops like that (eventide). Notice how Squarepusher didn't sound like that until recently? It's because he *recently* acquired technology to allow him to sound like that (YES, even squarepusher needs technology to sound like squarepusher). I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but admit that talent isn't the end all be all.

Can I write windowlicker? Hell no, but that's because I don't have a pro-tools system, professional compressors/mastering tools and vocal harmonizors like he used. Could somebody in the 60s make an album that sounds like it was mastered at abby road without mastering it at abby road? No.

[Konx-om-Pax]

everybody shut up and check one of the nicest simplest tracks i've heard in a while.

Fatima Yamaha - What is A Girl To Do (D1)

http://s58.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2DPSJ4MCK0L540ZIA4ZG 9KBAQY

[V Knid esq]

Anarchosyn you're getting a bit Pongoid on our asses.

Great music is created through and from and despite great technology. My favourite example is Richard H Kirk. Given electronic instruments, he gave us Cabaret Voltaire and all their great tunes, given rudimentary sampler/sequencer technology he gave us Sweet Exorcist. Fucking brilliant. Then digital sound editing came about and he got well bland. Is that too much technology? Is that people catching up with him? Is it him getting old? Who cares?

[Konx-om-Pax]

that links not working. i'll post the tune again. folk should hear it...

[KaOz]

hard normal daddy rules.. in fact... musically...

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
Anarchosyn you're getting a bit Pongoid on our asses.


"Comparisons are odious."

Originally posted by V Knid esq

Great music is created through and from and despite great technology.

True, I never said it wasn't. Innovative music, in a warp sense, has come SOLELY through technology though. Not everything warp puts out is innovative: BOC is merely good, they push no boundries. I've never read a BOC interview where they claimed to push boundries. AE has tried to push boundries, and has spoken at length about it. So has SQPush and AFX - and the way these specific people have pushed them has solely been through technology. This is what I'm talking about (the specific application from warp artists), people are taking this to generally (this was a warp specific, not music general, post after all).

Take all the DSP tricks out of richard devine, go plastik, AE's last albums (etc) and you no longer have music pushing boundries, you just have basic melodic structures over basic beats. The "weird/innovative" quality we attribute to this music comes from, imho, DSP tricks - which is technology, of course. Do you agree?

The application of all this technology still comes from a human mind, so even that's not bad.. but the mind alone could not make a "richard devine" track - for example. Even richard devine needs specific types of technology to make his sound.

I never said innovation as a basic idea must come through technology, but rather the way AE/Pusher/etc have pushed the boundries [i.e. innovated] has been through technological means. Maybe AE could have done confield in 1973, but I doubt it.


My favourite example is Richard H Kirk. Given electronic instruments, he gave us Cabaret Voltaire and all their great tunes, given rudimentary sampler/sequencer technology he gave us Sweet Exorcist. Fucking brilliant. Then digital sound editing came about and he got well bland. Is that too much technology? Is that people catching up with him? Is it him getting old? Who cares?

Maybe all of the above. The big difference is that Kirk never wrote a manifesto proclaiming his dominance over music. You have read squarepusher's manifesto, right?


On a personal note, I think it's pigheaded and arrogant to say - as an artist - I am solely responsible for my music. That would be doing a disservice to my studio, which plays a large part in (symbiotically) molding what comes out of it. Maybe I'm anthropomorphizing a bit much at the moment, but I see my output as a fusion between myself and my machines, not my dominance over these machines. Maybe this fundamental difference in outlook is why everybody is heaping shit over me today. :)

[KaOz]

who the fuck really cares? o_O

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by KaOz
who the fuck really cares? o_O

Apparently you, since you took the time to post here!

8-()

[garew]

Ok, Windowlicker was a bad example. Or was it? Sure, the edits were mind bending and I spent years trying to understand how he did that. Classic Aphex is when your brain spends years trying to wrap it's head around it. I agree that knowing about techniques now has taken a bit of the magic away. RDJ is the rare artist that is technically brilliant and creatively brilliant at the same time. It's also true that Richard had access to gear that not many else did in the early years. Like the bouncing ball track probably came from playing around with an eventide box, but it's Richard's imagination combined with his technical ability to finish a track that makes him truelly awesome. Windowlicker is more than a fancy edit track. It's a really pretty track. The vocals are layered beautifullly. That gurguling sound with the breathy vocals and that awesome bass synth. That's pure art. And Nanou is pure imagination. A music box track. All you need is a sampler for that one, did anyone else do that before? Anyone with a sampler?

[Whuffle]

i don't have any issue with technology as a means to "new" sounds.. warp & co don't have and never did have technology that nobody else had.. what makes these guys amazing, is that they had the vision to use or even create that technology, when people like you and me didnt. Thats not "having realy cool toys" and nothing else, it is a result of being inspired. Someone else could have done it first. but didn't, and the ability to constantly seek out and then apply these things, is not something that just anyone could do if they were giving the opportunity.

There is something out there right now that nobody is using yet.. a technique, or an approach... you could think of it, or I could, but it will still be shit if it isn't used well. cool technology is still just a tool and I think that people who use it well deserve the recognision they get.

[Claire]

toms wicked! got loads of wicked rave trakcs he just made to tour with, well good, likingthem!! should of hear tom in turin mate, just him and the 6 -string pitched up! was Really reeallyGOOD!! seriously, and he gonna relase that with a rave cd! so Double Album!!! how fgood is that?!! so u ghet one album of amazing vbass compositions and the other cd RAVE cd!! yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Claire]

id also like to say that squarepusher is the supreme musical genius of his era. deal with it

[bitch one]

pushing envelopes is what i do in the office

[Konx-om-Pax]

Originally posted by Claire
toms wicked! got loads of wicked rave trakcs he just made to tour with, well good, likingthem!! should of hear tom in turin mate, just him and the 6 -string pitched up! was Really reeallyGOOD!! seriously, and he gonna relase that with a rave cd! so Double Album!!! how fgood is that?!! so u ghet one album of amazing vbass compositions and the other cd RAVE cd!! yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cool.:)

[Spandex]

Saw him last night... was great... some proper mental slap bass rave. Tho we listened to the last half of the gig upstairs on a quieter PA.. cos we're old like. Met him briefly afterwards and he'd enjoyed the gig too. Everyone's happy... good.

Got some photos of Cassetteboy, taken by holding a camera above the crowd... The cassetteboys themselves are mainly blurred.. but the camera focussed nicely on the crowd, revealing that almost everyone had a bald spot. I'm calling it a "Baldience".

[decadnids]

spandex do you have a bald spot?

[Spandex]

Don't think so no... i'm quite hairy at the moment. Steev insists I'm receding though. He's been insisting this since 1995... so it's becoming less convincing by the day.

[c s]

two unimportant remarks:

a) AE/RDJ/SQP cannot be blamed for their army of clones and when i saw AE again this year after a long break it was really a blast after having seen so many clones - nothing beats the quality of the original. they were still ahead, their machinery skills were obviously a lot higher than those of the epigones which is actually no surprise since they were among those started it all from scratch.

b) afaik, AE never liked talking much about their music or wrote manifestos - i hope i am still right and this didn't change because this unpretentious attitude was what made them even greater for me. i always grant great musicians a good deal of megalomania but if they don't even use that bonus, it's even more perfect. i remember that old statement "we only do it because we needed something decent to listen to" which sounds self-confident without being pretentious at all. that's how i like it.

[Granny]

My Billy had a bald spot.

I bet Grandad misses you.

[gunjack]

Originally posted by Loz
what is it with electronic musicians having to be 'innovative' all the time? Is this the 'space race' that Jamie talks about?

Why can't music just be good?




YEA! what HE said!

[gunjack]

dude.... "rave trax"???? i lived through the early 90´s, why the FUCK would i want to listen to sqarepusher doing "dominator" remixes or whatever? ghey.

[Claire]

whot u chattin about u muppet? im talking rave traxs the likes your ears having compremegnded yet.im talking Brian Ferry on a ferry crossing fog on the tyne with bert and ernie on a golden spherical spliff train to nania with Ragdolly anna. your fucking tracks are shit Blud, his fucking tracks are the bolloxas simm,ple as that u mug headed cunt

[gunjack]

Originally posted by Claire
Brian Ferry on a ferry crossing fog on the tyne with bert and ernie on a golden spherical spliff train to nania with Ragdolly anna.





hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahah

RAVE ON there you fucking furry pant wearing, post chav, backpack clone. you rap like you got rocks in your mouth and your beats sound like that kid from free willy on a groovebox. crawl out of tom´s asshole long enough to fix that speech impediment of yours.

[bitch one]

nowt wrong with a good rave

[octan]

squarepusher is like one out of two artists i blocked at lastFM
NOOOOOOOO

[gunjack]

yea but who the fuck wantas to listen to amens over 909´s with a fucking rave alarm siren going off? SERIOUSLY. i said it when i saw vogel drop "dominator" at womb and i will say it again now that this idiot phil is going off about it: RETRO RAVE MUSIC is the gheyest idea ever. we went through that early stage of naive, bouncy rave music, and it lead us to many many new and interesting places in musc, SO WHY GO BACK? that shit music was the stepping stone to lots of experimentation, but that´s just it, a stepping stone. now it just sounds silly.


its like these idiots running around in shredded t-shirts and glitter because they were born in 1982 and don´t realize the 80´s were horrible enough the first time around....

[FiST]

do you reckon your music is more futuristic than squarepushers then gunjack?

[Claire]

Originally posted by gunjack
yea but who the fuck wantas to listen to amens over 909´s with a fucking rave alarm siren going off? SERIOUSLY. i said it when i saw vogel drop "dominator" at womb and i will say it again now that this idiot phil is going off about it: RETRO RAVE MUSIC is the gheyest idea ever. we went through that early stage of naive, bouncy rave music, and it lead us to many many new and interesting places in musc, SO WHY GO BACK? that shit music was the stepping stone to lots of experimentation, but that´s just it, a stepping stone. now it just sounds silly.


its like these idiots running around in shredded t-shirts and glitter because they were born in 1982 and don´t realize the 80´s were horrible enough the first time around....

u got it all wrong u prick i when i said rave tracks i just ment proper bangers

[octan]

the future seems to be fucked in the brain (from a squarepusher side of things)

[gunjack]

Originally posted by FiST
do you reckon your music is more futuristic than squarepushers then gunjack?


don´t put words in my mouth. i make straight techno and that´s what folks know me for, but i do many other things as well, there is a new soul record we just finished, etc. etc. etc. but this ain´t about me, i aint saying tom sux but if phil´s little rave boy description is true, we are in for dissapointment......



seriously tho, can we not have anymore "retro" fads????

[Claire]

it spointless talking to you because your such a cock.

[gunjack]

hahahaha,

pot/kettle/black

i guess i would look like a cock to a fucking pussy like you. seriously tho, how is the view from inside tom´s sphincter?

[Konx-om-Pax]

Originally posted by gunjack
yea but who the fuck wantas to listen to amens over 909´s with a fucking rave alarm siren going off?

me, my mum, dad, brother, gran and my cat called salt. thats who.

[gunjack]

damn..... u guys suck! furry pants family in full effect hahahahahahahahahahahahahah


lemme get my coat. i didn´t realize this was raver central hehe

[Tec]

Can't mess with Tom's acid, man knows how to string a beat together and is a proper musician, no shit. Play bass guitar innit?

Don't be negative gunjack, too mmuch of that shit around. Why not go back? Room for all tastes in this world..plenty of room.

[Konx-om-Pax]

you right there. got raving in my genes. so's my cat.

[bitch one]

Originally posted by gunjack
now it just sounds silly.


you are telling me that early R&S records sound silly?

YOU sound silly

[thepigjockey]

Originally posted by bitch one


you are telling me that early R&S records sound silly?

YOU sound silly

Does anyone think Energy Flash (as an example) was/is silly? Does anyone really think it matters when a track was made?

[mattgloss]

ha ha. quality I love internet argumants, made my day.

ya knob head

[pille'ocheoni]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
Anarchosyn you're getting a bit Pongoid on our asses.


yeah

[gunjack]

first of all energy flash DOES SOUND SILLy, "ecstasy, ecstasy", i never liked that song and the bassline is ghey. as for early r&s records, most of that was TECHNO not this hardcore rave garbage that was coming out at the same time.


and yes it does matter when a track was made, but only when it sounds DATED like energy flash for example.

[Spandex]

Did you wake up with an itchey centipede today? :)

[gunjack]

naw i am just sick of "retro" crap.

[thepigjockey]

Thank fuck we all like different stuff.

I like some (not all) dated music, some people don't.

BUT DON'T ANYONE TRY TELLING ME THAT CHARLY BY THE PRODIGY OR RHUBARB AND CUSTARD BY SHAFT WERE SHIT OR I'LL ...







;p

[gunjack]

man look, dont get me wrong here. those tunes were fun when we were 16 and popping pills, but come now, while it might be nice to hear these trax in your car for nostalgia, THIS RAVE REVIVAL CRAP is lame! look at frankie bones! he plays nothing but remixes of rave records from 92 etc.! argh!

[thepigjockey]

agreed.

my take on it is that i'd rather hear something raw and new and exciting (like the way it sounded to our adolescent ears in '89-'91 etc) rather than something overproduced which tries and fails to recapture that feeling, like the crap you're referring to. haven't heard the frankie bones stuff, but i think moby's recent(ish) voodoo child album is another good (i.e. terrible) example.

it's interesting to not how a 16 year old just getting into that kind of thing reacts with the same level of excitement as anyone back then did.

but even better than that something new AND well produced.

this is all from a music lover's (not music maker's) point of view.

back to the square pusher thing, as a music fiend i don't know or care how it's made, i either like it or i don't.

[penciLneck]

I think you raised a good point there. I'm not a music maker either. I think we have a few different types of music involvement on the board, and not everyone is as fussy about the in and outs. they just love the medium. but on the other hand are equally particular about what they like.

[gunjack]

i feel ya brah

[thepigjockey]

Originally posted by penciLneck
I think you raised a good point there. I'm not a music maker either. I think we have a few different types of music involvement on the board, and not everyone is as fussy about the in and outs. they just love the medium. but on the other hand are equally particular about what they like.

shit. we've been rumbled. neither of us makes music. eek. we're outnumbered. run!

[penciLneck]

I know which I'd rather be.

the lunatic jumping up and down. not someone who has to worry about which record(insert instrument of choice) to put on next. Or worry what critic is saying what (insert music industry hassle).

[mdk]

:)

good on you. i used to be a bit obsessed with how things were done, i think it was part of understanding how i could express my ideas, but eventually it took the fun out of music...i remember hearing the guy called gerald album and not listening to it, just analysing it thinking, i know how you did that, i know how you did that, ooh whats he using there...it took a while for me stop my brain from doing that and get back to listening and enjoying the music rather than the technique or the process. now im a well adjusted respectable citizen..my only criteria is 'good or bad'

no one forces me to listen to anything, so if someone is making music i dont like, well, i just dont listen...ok, it doesnt make for much fun arguing on the interweb, but each to their own.

[Loz]

Originally posted by penciLneck
I think you raised a good point there. I'm not a music maker either. I think we have a few different types of music involvement on the board, and not everyone is as fussy about the in and outs. they just love the medium. but on the other hand are equally particular about what they like.

I am a music maker, and though I sometimes hear something and think "fucking hell, how did they make THAT?" for the most part, if music is good, I'll like it. I don't see the point in pushing boundries all the time. Lou Reed pushed boundries by recording static for an hour. Doesn't make it good.

It is easy to look back on tracks like Windowlicker and think "I could have thought of that idea" in the same way as it is easy to look back and think "I could have started an internet based auction site", but the fact is, you hadn't thought of that, had you? Good music requires imagination and the ability to think of things that no one else has thought of, but seem really obvious afterwards. I reckon that is what makes good music.

[bitch one]

nostalgia - bollocks. good music is good music, if it happens to have good memories associated with it too then thats good no?

[Konx-om-Pax]

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[Jeniffer Mills]

Originally posted by bitch one
nostalgia - bollocks. good music is good music, if it happens to have good memories associated with it too then thats good no?

Thats a good point...so anyone else whos bitching SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[bitch one]

i'll shut up.

i'm off to listen to my eon records and have a sulk

[Konx-om-Pax]

have u ever shoved you thumb up your arse when having a wank?

[Jeniffer Mills]

Originally posted by subscience
have u ever shoved you thumb up your arse when having a wank?

i bet you have....

[Loz]

hooray for intelligent and mature discussion!

[thepigjockey]

no. only squarepusher's thumb.

[Granny]

Originally posted by Loz
Lou Reed pushed boundries by recording static for an hour. Doesn't make it good.

Tsk.. You young whippersnapper. You'll learn.

Now sit down and rub grannies feet.

[Konx-om-Pax]

all the time mate. i permantly have a small amount of poo underneath the nail on my left thumb. i never wash it off cos it constantly reminds me of the good times had.

[Loz]

Originally posted by Granny
Tsk.. You young whippersnapper. You'll learn.

Now sit down and rub grannies feet.

I vote this the worst gimmick poster ever.

[Jeniffer Mills]

Originally posted by subscience
all the time mate. i permantly have a small amount of poo underneath the nail on my left thumb. i never wash it off cos it constantly reminds me of the good times had.

...yeah...i don`t forget the hair styling...lol

[Spandex]

Originally posted by Loz
I vote this the worst gimmick poster ever.

Shutup and rub her feet like you were told.

[Loz]

Originally posted by Spandex
Shutup and rub her feet like you were told.

actually, Spandex is the worst gimmick poster ever

[Prince Charlie]

We are curious, what is this "rave" of which you are all on about?
In our day a rave was something you did while foaming at the mouth... we assume it is still done that way, eh old chaps?


We discovered a tune called "James brown is dead" in williams things... is this a "rave" song lads? If so it makes me want to march and shake and act very un-princely.








Chuck

[gunjack]

oh god.... THIS asshole is the worst gimmick poster of all you fucks.

[Loz]

does this board really need gimmick posters? does anyone find them funny?

or is it just me being old and cynical and hating everything?

am I the new Steev?

[mdk]

youre the old steev with a cherry on top.

[Granny]

Originally posted by Loz
am I the new Steev?

Did Steev know my Billy?

God bless his soul. He always liked Fish on a Friday.

Anywhichways I thought everyone knew that Squarepushers last good Phonograph was Feed me weird things, with an honorary mention to Big Loada.

You couldn't rub some of this cream onto your Grannies eyebrows could you Lawrence?

[garew]

<i>Good music requires imagination and the ability to think of things that no one else has thought of, but seem really obvious afterwards. I reckon that is what makes good music.</i>

Perfect.

[mim]

Originally posted by mdk
:)

good on you. i used to be a bit obsessed with how things were done, i think it was part of understanding how i could express my ideas, but eventually it took the fun out of music...i remember hearing the guy called gerald album and not listening to it, just analysing it thinking, i know how you did that, i know how you did that, ooh whats he using there...

lol trying hard to get rid of it

[Jackmaster]

Originally posted by subscience
his contract is finished with warp now but he might re-sign... looking forward to meeting him in a few weeks.

Hey check me out.

[terminal viscosity]

hahaha !