otto von schirach

[yastin byrd]

lol

i heard that otto von schirach would come to germany this month and he will play in chemnitz or dresden!
is that right?
does anybody know where exactly and when?

thanx a lot
cheers

[pille'ocheoni]

god damn man......ive been waiting to see otto since 1999.when i sat down and talked with r.devine for a while last summer he had good things to say about otto.but theres a guy on the board thats from miami thats freinds with otto.cant wait till his new release.go to this and take pics if possible please:)shit.i want to go:(

[yastin byrd]

do you know the name of that member from miami?
perhaps we can write a pm to him!

[pille'ocheoni]

i wrote a big thread on otto a couple months back that is in the database of no-future.just go back to the thread called otto is he god?there you'll see his post and maybe get some luck.......ill take a browse too.p/

[Sheridan]

I saw otto and richard devine and phoenecia in miami the other weekend.
richard devine and phoenecia were dope.
but otto was in one word: GARBAGE!!
I had a nice view of his laptop and saw what he was doing. and it wasn't much at all. he was trying to hide fruity loops from the crowd when he was starting up. all he had were the uninventive drum loops playing and then he would bring up audio regions in sound forge that he had already set up and just hit space bar. boring laptop live act at its fullest. all the while he was just screaming while two fat chicks wrestled inside a shirt that was a bit too long. he called them his "worms" and had them lick some kind of cream off of his screen. it was extremely annoying and disapointing.

[wocek]

hahahahahahahaa i haven't laugh like that since my first tries with the fruity loops :D :D :D

[anarchosyn]

Humm.. everything I've heard from Otto has sounded like recanned, and uninventive shite in the key of ectomorph run through an analogue delay (although I'm sure he's a really nice guy). Can anybody direct me towards an album that might change this opinion (yes, I'm serious). Humm.. for perspectives sake, I've only heard individual tracks via comps.

[anarchosyn]

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"boring laptop live act at its fullest."

This brings up an pretty interesting sub topic all unto itself. Should live acts even attempt to be fulfilling? What should an artist strive for in a live performance? Topless dancers and fire eaters? Marsupials modulating Stockhausen to the tune of Otto Lueing and G. Gordon Liddy??

I personally feel that the concept of performer, on stage and infront of an audience, should implicitly include some interaction with the audience. Otherwise they should keep it from being infront of other people. As a wise man once said: "I hate facing an audience, it makes me feel like I’m a clerk at a bank, and they want to make a withdrawal". Hell, for those of us with customer service experience, compound that sentiment with the obligation of telling them they don’t even have an account with us to get the full experience of the analogy.

Anyhow … humm.. What should a live performer be obligated to do? I remember back in my Analogue Heaven days (old school gear mailing list via hyperreal.org) waxing poetic on how shitty it was for well known acts to play out via dat, yet – on the advocate’s other hand, it was perfectly ok for an unknown artist to do so (how else will anybody hear there music?). In the end, we’re left with a contextual understanding of what separates the two scenarios, yet a double standard none-the-less.

To simplify things a bit, should I – a virtual unknown artist who may (or may not) create really good music-- be obligated to play live (at ALL) when I produce music at events? Should a different yardstick be levied against those that have no commercial / label / marketing backing ? If so, why hold the same rules to those that happen to have a few releases under there belt?

Personally, this is half the reason I plan to purchase Jitter ( http://www.cycling74.com/products/jitter.html ) and a decent firewire projector. This allows for me to integrate some distraction from the obligatory focus on the performer with a form of visual art also created by the performer (hell, maybe even created live via a DV cam and the audience).

Regardless, I refuse to ever play facing an audience, for the aforementioned reasons. Maybe with my body to the side, but never head on.

[ischo]

as for myself, i played a couple of laptop-live-acts in the recent past and I do understand the expectations of the audience when they come and pay to see a special event, i.e. a live-act.
of course I can’t perform like a rock band, with 5 long-haired guys moshing it up on stage like Anthrax.
Now i dunno how it feels like to play in front of 300-600 peepz, all eagerly waiting for you to hit the floor, but my personal experience with crowds up to 300 peepz is that, if they know the music, they tend to take closer looks, say at your gear, laptop, software n shit. And that’s mostly the guys.
I guess it’s a bit like the “let’s see what he does, can I do that too…?…hell yeah I can….” Attitude.
But that’s okay. When I go out to see someone play I tend to start off like that aswell. checking out his/her (never seen a girl play, yet) stuff. but as soon as they hit it, I like to listen, not stare.

Of course one’s quickly disappointed when you see that the performer just presses play.
and this is just what it’s all about, really playing live, it’s the performers flexibility that counts in this situation. He/she has to feel with the crowd, not play his/her set down the line.

and just like sheridan said:

I had a nice view of his laptop and saw what he was doing. and it wasn't much at all. he was trying to hide fruity loops from the crowd when he was starting up.......

god, it’s really an issue, but since playing out live has become more and more easy (cheaper production gear, laptops, many locations, …), more and more people can do so.

And I say: good
Or was it bad…?!?!?! dunno

Get a projector, DV, whatever, or just play your music

[piscaries]

it's all about the fly girls. you gotta have fly girls. dj funk has fly girls.

[pille'ocheoni]

damn ian.that bad?>well ,that sound's stupid.fruityloops is cool but not for a professional>

[ischo]

@pille

who are professionals nowadays?

[pille'ocheoni]

well i dont know.i use fruity some times .im trying not to use it and move on.well ischo your a professional.do you use fruity loops?

[aleks]

what´s wrong with using fruity loops? so if you want to put out records or you already released some you are not allowed to use it?
that´s bullshit, innit?

[anarchosyn]

If somebody can bang out fucking fantastic music via fruity loops, more power to them. It's all just tools..

I personally like max/msp cause most people can't translate what's on the screen into a coherent image of what's going on.. you could call it a "Trainspotters Nightmare" (nice label, is it still around?), but I just call it Evi (don't know why, I just do :).

Don't get me wrong, if cristian came and played live in my hometown I'd be in the front of the room trainspotting like the rest, but sooner or later the novelty of the performance would wear off and I'd find my rightful place in front of the bass bins (and, really, isn't this where one should be motivating people to be in the first place?).

Down with the tyranny of "musicianship", give me fucking music, pure and simple. Should it matter if some bespectacled kid hit play on a prerecorded sequence or knocked out all the notes live in front of a crowd? Isn’t the end result the same thing, for better or worse?

Yet, within this culture, we find it hard to divorce the specture of "musicianship" from music.

If I ever fall into that trap it will be from the other end. I personally find the kid that can’t even play a keyboard, yet creates bang up music, more interesting then the composition major who does everything live with controllers, powergloves and tablets. I’m hearing music that would have, without the advent of electronics and sequencers, been forever locked away inside the head of the kid producing it.

[FORMAT]

I've seen several laptop musicians, and it's the same with all of them as they stare at their screen. - R Devine being the only action man on stage - I saw ovuca and, recently, Jan jelinek at maria am ufer, and they concentrate on their music. Fine with me, as long as the music's amazing.
Pole played as well, and he actually played live melodica...

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[namshub]

i luv phoenecia!!!!! amazing stuff...... also, i have several friends who rip out insane tunes using fruity loops, and in fact they swear by it. profesionalism (hopefully) is not about tha name of yr hard/soft ware - its about tha quality of yr tunes.

[actionjetzon]

The best live performance i´ve ever seen was Jamie Lidell in the Stammheim Kassel!
Thats what i call playing live...awesome!!!

[ischo]

pille, it wasn't meant like that...
why should i be a pro?
i never used fruity loops just cuz i never tried it.....and cuz i've got my favourites, no other reasons


...... also, i have several friends who rip out insane tunes using fruity loops, and in fact they swear by it. profesionalism (hopefully) is not about tha name of yr hard/soft ware - its about tha quality of yr tunes.

now i can agree to that

[pille'ocheoni]

ok.i understand.well i use fruity,just because i started with it,...but ive made some awsome tunes with it,but there many limitaions.so your right ,im wrong.its just with all the imformation you guys talk about that i have never heard of,i get intimidated and think that maybe im behind so i strive to learn more and see other avenues to get the sound that i want that i have not figured out how to get with fruity and others.yeah nautilis just told me that he write everything in acid and thats it.beats too.amazing!