Girls and Guitars ( ... addendum to "Girls and Techno"..)

[CV]

have a look at this Girls Guitar Method Story (http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Girls-Guitar-Method.html)

I cant believe in 2002 this is the first ever book like this!!! So if it has taken 50 years of Rock to publish such a method book , how long do you think it will take a Girls and Techno book to come out? Hopefully with resources like Electric Indigo's Female Pressure (http://www.femalepressure.net/) it won't be long...

[zombie ritual]

Doesn't it seem strange that we need an extra book for girls? I mean, a chord is a chord, whether it's hit by men or women. I wonder how much methods for women and men to learn a guitar or any music instrument really differ.

[marcel]

yeah zombie thats the point.
we don't need books about that. just look at everyone as a person, or at an artist as a creative person, not as a man or woman. that doesn't help

[Loz]

The problem is, although everyone is apparently equal, girls make up less than 10% of the music industry. Something is definitely amiss.

We need books like this to encourage talented girls to get into music.

[Sheridan]

seems kind of strange to me. I never thought of the guitar or let alone guitar technique books to be 'masculine'. so what, because you put some daisies and hearts on guitars and books you are going to encourage more girls to start playing?

[deccard]

we are equal but not all the same.

[deccard]

ah what have i said? praise buddhadecc. praise.

[7875]

maybe girls play better if they're playing on a heart-shaped guitar?

[Sheridan]

but didn't some guitar player from the cock rock days already have one?
I remeber a video of a dude with a heart shaped guitar and two necks coming out. think it was ratt, or poison, or some other fucked up shit like that.:!

[gunjack]

chix dig specialty items.

[Lady E]

we cant play guitar because we dont want to fuck up our nails

[invisibleplanet]

lol

who gives a fuck about nails

i have two guitars.. a steel yam fg-110 and an nylon spanish
but neither of those are as good as my cello was :!

maybe this special book for girls gives the correct placing for the right breast on the gentle curve of the traditional guitar?
and low strung heart-shaped guitar...well....*ggg* ...i can't say for laughing *hehehe*

ok - i've stopped laughing now.

[a.rodin]

Originally posted by cristian
have a look at this Girls Guitar Method Story (http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Girls-Guitar-Method.html)

I cant believe in 2002 this is the first ever book like this!!! So if it has taken 50 years of Rock to publish such a method book , how long do you think it will take a Girls and Techno book to come out?


...I was contemplating why girls did not like the techno sound as much as boys in the original thread. It was puzzling and I couldn't put a finger on it. Girls and other genres of music is another query. They have more of an affinity to the piano than the guitar. Classical to rock'n roll. (Imagine if there were more Janis Joplins around. And nothing compared to Billy Holliday)
I wonder why girls can't play the piano as well as boys or the guitar, violin, drums or play billiards, cook, design, drive, etc... activities that require finesse and skill as opposed to strength. I LOVE WOMEN, don't get the wrong idea. It's just another head scratcher.

[invisibleplanet]

ups - must reply to the post:

i never found it a problem that there were no guitar books aimed at girls when i was learning.
maybe the marketing hype of the girl-power has created more of a divide than we realise yet.

how long before there is a girls and techno book out?
omg cristian, u thought it, so it's very likely if u were able to pluck that thought from the ether, someone somewhere has also had that thought, and is writing a book on Girls and Techno as we speak!

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by a.rodin
I wonder why girls can't play the piano as well as boys or the guitar, violin, drums or play billiards, cook, design, drive, etc... activities that require finesse and skill as opposed to strength. I LOVE WOMEN, don't get the wrong idea. It's just another head scratcher.

hey! i think u need to re-read what u wrote...maybe u missed something out? *g*

[CV]

Yeah , Alicia Keys can tinkle my ivories any time!

[invisibleplanet]

aha! cristian... yet more living proof that one call feel music in one's teeth *giggle

http://www.aliciakeys.net/media.html « plenty samples hier

[Sheridan]

alicia keys is bad as hell.
and I was actually a big fan of fiona apple.
great pianist. and she has matt chamberlin on drums for her albums. another bonus.

[invisibleplanet]

are they american, sheridan? i've never heard of eother fiona apple or matt chamberlain before.

http://www.soundcircus.com/popup/neural/index.html]joanna mcgregor can tinkle my ivories anytime.
she's played with a drummer called Roger Doyle (http://www.soundout.net/artists/RogerDoyle/RogerDoyle.htm)...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classical/reviews/macgregor_play.shtml]2 samples available in ram form on this page

[a.rodin]

...or play chess :)

[invisibleplanet]

lol

yeah - sometimes a little Giuoco Piano is necessary :p

P-Q4

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
are they american, sheridan? i've never heard of eother fiona apple or matt chamberlain before.

http://www.soundcircus.com/popup/neural/index.html]joanna mcgregor can tinkle my ivories anytime.
she's played with a drummer called Roger Doyle (http://www.soundout.net/artists/RogerDoyle/RogerDoyle.htm)...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classical/reviews/macgregor_play.shtml]2 samples available in ram form on this page

yes. matt chaberlin used to drum with pearl jam, and has done work with critters buggin amongst others.
fiona apple is also american. similar to tori amos type stuff, but with a dark sultry voice. highly reccommended.

[gunjack]

fiona sux.

[bitch one]

isn't the real issue that girls just don't (usually)get obsessive like boys do?

[guillaume]

Originally posted by gunjack
fiona sux.
I fully agree! lol

[Lady E]

yes, bitch one, i agree.

from personal experience as an adolescent girl society encourages you to look out to the world rather than inward into your bedroom and chords and all that. generally girls mature quicker and are therefore expected to be more responsible, help with housework, siblings, do their homework blah blah blah. boys are allowed to be kids for longer which means creativity is more possible. naturally this is a massive generalisation but its true within my circle of friends.

its simply not a question of differing abilities across the sexes. its social and cultural.

[bitch one]

i agree, emma, it's partly the cultural thing - but i think there's perhaps biological forces at work too. serial killers, trainspotters, birdwatchers, techno producers - these kind of weird behaviours strike me as being caused by something at a deeper, neurological level than mere cultural conditioning. girls get obsessive about babies and cleaning. this is partly cultural - but it is not impossible that such basic urges may also have a genetic component perhaps? i wonder. thus to become djs/producers/guitar heroes/jazz musicians/serial killers/suicide bombers, girls must not only overcome the cultural constraints, but also biological urges that tell them to get babies and look after them....:)

[bitch one]

or - here's another theory - girls' obsessive urges get channeled by society into 'healthy' places like babies and anorexia, whereas boys' obsessions are encouraged into train sets and studios.

[deccard]

Originally posted by bitch one
or - here's another theory - girls' obsessive urges get channeled by society into 'healthy' places like babies and anorexia, whereas boys' obsessions are encouraged into train sets and studios.

i think that too. cause our society is sick. the overal social behaviour is evil. just think about a nature tribe that had a room were all old people would be kept till they die....
a serial killer in a nature tribe?
we got "civilised" in use of technologie but we lost something over time.

[amble]

deccard that sounds like you broke with your god. how could you?:!

btw. got your cds filed yet??

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by Sheridan
but didn't some guitar player from the cock rock days already have one?
I remeber a video of a dude with a heart shaped guitar and two necks coming out. think it was ratt, or poison, or some other fucked up shit like that.:!

Kind of embarressed to admit that i know this. It was actually Steve Vai when he was playing lead guitar in David Lee Roth's band, and the guitar had THREE necks, two on one side, one on the other. Vai originally played with Frank Zappa (can't remember which albums though).

Girls with guitars are hot. Kim Deal yum yum yummy.

[Ava]

yeah steve vai rocks with frank zappa - stunt guitar and impossible guitar parts. i think he may feature on 'shut up and play yer guitar'

[Lady E]

girls with guitars are indeed hot - i always wanted to be one.
but i fear its too late now

steve vai was in another 80s band...please tell me which one!

[Loz]

apart from Courtney Love. Devastatingly ugly both on the outside and the inside.

But in general, girls are hot no matter what they do. It comes with the job, I think.

[V Knid esq]

According to a fan site, he played with PiL on one album!

I had several teenage epiphanies watching female or part female rock bands. When Kat Bjelland was onstage with Babes In Toyland going "I WANT TO EAAAT YOU" I had very mixed emotions! And I had such a crush on both the girls from Lush. One of my friends was going out with one of them for the last year or so - he tried to introduce me to her, but I was too embarressed to look her in the eye!

[zombie ritual]

Let's not forget the great BIKINI KILL! And the first HOLE-lp was a masterpiece, at least musically. You're probably going to lynch me for this, but I think, it was better than everything Nirvana did at the time and after.

Anyone remembers the great KAT? Totally over the top 80ies thrash metal with female guitarist and singer, hilariously satanic lyrics. Much more entertaining than Kittie ever was *gg*.

[V Knid esq]

I sometimes think you're right about Pretty On The Inside being better than Nirvana. Then sometimes I don't. I definitely think Courtney was a better singer than Kurt.

Ooh and - not quite so RAWK I know - but I always had a real thing for Chrissie Hynde - so self-assured on stage and that VOICE!

[Sheridan]

pat benetar!!
she is still hot all these years later.

[Loz]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
Ooh and - not quite so RAWK I know - but I always had a real thing for Chrissie Hynde - so self-assured on stage and that VOICE!

I feel the need to mention PJ Harvey at this point.

RAWR.

[Sheridan]

totally forgot about pj harvey. nice one loz.

[LEFTHANDLOU]

Pat Benetar and PJ Harvey Still hot after all these Beers :)

Even Morgan Freedman is hot after all these beers,

I like girl drummers my self, got to love a women that knows how to use a stick.

BTW. Whats this bs about women not getting obsessive.....What world do you guys live in. Women are more obsessive than guys, just ask my crazy ass ex, or any guy who decides to go on a guys night out. Most of the time we can't take a deep breath without sharing half of it with you. Women are just as crazy as the guys, i think more so, cause you're too smart for own damn good.

Women use the Magic triangle better than most men can use a gun. And every year they get better at mastering the vagina magic.

[Sheridan]

no, I just think that us men in general are a lot weaker than we think.

[deccard]

Originally posted by LEFTHANDLOU
Pat Benetar and PJ Harvey Still hot after all these Beers :)
....
....
And every year they get better at mastering the vagina magic.

a superpussy needs a superpussy
:illin: :)

[owain_k]

Originally posted by emma
yes, bitch one, i agree.

from personal experience as an adolescent girl society encourages you to look out to the world rather than inward into your bedroom and chords and all that. generally girls mature quicker and are therefore expected to be more responsible, help with housework, siblings, do their homework blah blah blah. boys are allowed to be kids for longer which means creativity is more possible. naturally this is a massive generalisation but its true within my circle of friends.

its simply not a question of differing abilities across the sexes. its social and cultural.

Sorry to enter so late on this debate but u make a very salient point, sex roles are proscribed and reinforced by society from an early age and are so engrained that its easy to forget that we as human beings are capable of pretty anything much we put our minds to !

Obviously, anatomical and hormonal differences between male and female does predispose us towards certain inclinations from an innate behavioural point of view (to a lesser degree).

However, at the end of the day, writing books : Solely aimed at men or women merely reinforces the socio-cultural divide in my opinion.
Surely, we need books that are comprehensible to everyone or am i just being an idealist ?

[Lady E]

1. courtney love is fucking cool
2. "pretty on the inside" - a great album, but by no means better than Nirvana - this was the fashionable viewpoint at the time, perpertrated by Everett True as a kind of "more underground than thou" thing. Basically Hole would like to be Fleetwood Mac, and sound best when they are really trying.
3. some girls make good music and some dont.

[zombie ritual]

Fleetwood Mac???? Hole???? I think you have to explain this :-)

[7875]

1. i loved the girls from Lush.
2. it is never too late to pick up a guitar (emma).
3. Courtney Love is a vampire (and not in the living dead sense)
4. what about the Slits?
5. aren't we forgetting Joan Jett?
6. everything created by men was done to impress women..
true or false? (i vote true) therefore, who's in control?

[j samuel]

Originally posted by emma
girls with guitars are indeed hot - i always wanted to be one.
but i fear its too late now

steve vai was in another 80s band...please tell me which one!

i'm a little late on this but that would be Whitesnake. and i AIN'T ASHAMED EITHER!!!

btw on the Fiona Apple tip, it's a shame that she got lumped in with the onslaught of young female singers in the late 90's. she writes all her own material and is imo one of the more talented singer/songwriters around today. aimee mann is another one. both with great production by jon brion. tell me some men who can write better pop hooks then these two gals? girl power!

--jeff samuel (not a girl but i like them a whole lot)

[aleks]

Originally posted by 7875
everything created by men was done to impress women..
true or false?

true...

[geese]

yes true...

and especially in the case of the novels of william burroughs.

nothing impresses a woman more than a man ejaculating as he is hanged.

young boys need it special

[Loz]

Thanks geese, I've had a shit day today, but you made me laugh out loud. It's all better now.

[7875]

i don't think old Bill Lee cared what the ladies thought.
remember, he shot one in the head.

[invisibleplanet]

I like Joni Mitchell's guitar playing, after all these years :)

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by geese
yes true...

and especially in the case of the novels of william burroughs.

nothing impresses a woman more than a man ejaculating as he is hanged.

young boys need it special

...........i think its time for wilhelm tell.................:-)

[baba]

Poison Ivy from the Cramps is who i used to want to be when I was 15- but I could never get into the idea of sitting in my bedroom er 'practising' - everynight like the boys of my age.

I once had a boy friend who said the reason teenage boys play guitar is due to clitoris envy. If you think about it there is a kind of similar action involved between guitar playing and girly wanking. A kind fiddly finger thing.

You would think they would get really good at it wouldn't you?

[Loz]

Originally posted by baba
I once had a boy friend who said the reason teenage boys play guitar is due to clitoris envy. If you think about it there is a kind of similar action involved between guitar playing and girly wanking. A kind fiddly finger thing.

What about girls who play the clarinet?

[gunjack]

girls who play hard/minimal give me a woody.
girls who play guitar give me shrinkage.

[baba]

Girls playing the clarinet? Thats boring! Penis envy is so passe ...

I thought the clitoris envy analogy might be quite an interesting one, especially seeing as a guitar playing adolescent boy first mentioned it to me. I thought it was quite a radical concept... and it reminded me of the title of that great film by Nick Zedd - 'War is Menstrual Envy'...
(this strangly connects in my head with Cristian's 'Embody Peace' link)

I especially like the clitoris envy idea cos it turns cock rock on its head. Kinda castrates it - which perhaps accounts for why seeing girls play guitar gives gunjack shrinkage.