Musical Snobbery

[grobelaar]

<RANT>
So what is it with people who sit around saying things like "Oh I can't wait to go to Heaven this week, John Digweed and Danny Howells are playing and they're such good DJs, and then when I talk about the music I like and maybe see if they're up for coming out and experiencing sone of what I'm into they don't do anything but slag it off, I mean its not like they say no thanks, it not my cuppa tea, they actually sit and say its a load of shite...

Amazing, I mean I don't slag their shit off, cos to be honest it just doesn't interest me, and I least I'm not so arrogant as to realise that my ignorance of this music may make me look very stupid if I open my big fat mouth and let rip with a bunch of popular held misconceptions. Pity it doesn't work the other way round...

Why does everyone seem to be such genre snobs these days, its bad enough that these terms of journalistic endearment are bandied about like candy, without everyone running around convinced that the only way that they can defend and define their favoured music to others is by roundly stomping and slagging off the music that sits close to it. Not only does this show ignorance of music in general, but it seems that they can't even string two decent words together to describe what they do actually like...

Ignorance + Arrogance = Snobbery (otherwise known as Stupidity)
</RANT>

[V Knid esq]

Pah - I'm a snob. If someone I know likes John Digweed I will let them know what I think. If they don't like my opinion, they have to swiftly learn not to discuss music in my presence or end up no longer being my friend. It's not that I think any less of them as people (well, not much) - I just think they have shit taste.

[Sheridan]

I hate to admit it but I am a bit of music and beer snob. my thing is, and I know this is bad, but I have this feeling that the stuff I am into is over the average persons head. i.e. they are too stupid to understand it. I have tried so much to spread the wealth of the music I listen to by telling and trying to educate other people, but most people start to laugh at it or talk about how it is this or that. so now I don't even bother. if I meet someone and they prove to me that they are intelligent enough to listen to something I have then after a bit I will try and turn it on to them.
I am the kind of person where a few months ago I was invited to play at a house party. when I arrived the dj there was playing the most horrible hard house/ trance stuff. and all these people were into it. my friends asked me to play but I decided my records were too good to be played at the party. so I firmly stated that 'my records were quietly resting in my car and did not feel like coming out to play'. I know that is quite dickesh, but I really didn't want to play my records to a bunch of people that weren't going to get them.
also I talk shit about a lot of the music that is out today. mostly pop stuff. but the thing is I wont say anything until I have actually heard it. I will give ANYTHING one shot. but if I don't like it I am not going to say 'oh it just sucks'. I will tell you why it sucks. but in the end music is all about taste and opinion. and of course everyone knows opinions are like assholes: everyone has one.

[filthydave]

grob mate, you're one of the biggest musical snobs i know!
lol lol lol lol lol lol

[Sheridan]

yeah I know. it isn't something I am real proud of:
except when I am!
:-p

[namshub]

fuck U guys have real snob probs, i personally don't give a fuck wot other ppl like. i let do tha tunes do tha talking. alot of my freinds like absolute cheese, but they R cool ppl and have good minds. personality is more important than taste to me.

[c s]

i think the question is what status music has in the lives of those who like crap. i guess most of the people don't consider music as important in their lives, so they listen to whatever comes along and - perhaps more important - what all of their friends listen to. if there is no real passion for music (as an artist's work, not as sound accompaning life here and there) in general i think it'll be hard to make them fascinated for example by the stuff we like, because they don't know how to become fascinated by any kind of music. of course they complain about 'plastic music' and 'bands generated by record companies' just as we might do but...

even in "scenes" it seems to me a lot of people were only dragged in there by friends. i know of people who really were into underground music 10+ years ago and they became SO very normal... now they listen to the 'sound of consent'. so in wonder if the enthusiasm was ever real. :!

but i do get along with (some of) them, we just avoid the topic... lol

[pille'ocheoni]

i think the idea is noble but i too fall into a snobbery place .BUT.im not quick to say "oh i hate that shit,you dont know the first thing about anything"i ussaly keep my vioce to myself and say"oh well have you heard this?"and from there i feel my way around determing if their the type that just listens because its cool,or if he or she has been shoping and found something they like.i like what i like,and am open to certain things.except country,well except johnny cash hes cool and older country is cool,but around the board i judge by effert,if its bullshit production,i have no respect.if it has good production,i will give a closer look.

[piscaries]

if you really think about it, everyone is a bit of a music snob. some people are just more educated or open to new music than others. i love the music i listen to with a passion, but other people hate the music i listen to with a passion. "it has no words, how can you listen to it?" is a question i often get, even though it comes from stupid girls that i work with that listen to n'sync and boy bands. they love their music because they don't have to think about it and can sing along and dance. i love my music becuase it makes me think AND dance. i can't force people to or not to like my music, and there's no way that i'm going to like all the music that i hear, and that's where snobbery comes in. not that i think people should be snobs about music, but rather they should know whether or not to respect something. i may not like the music that i'm hearing, but i at least know enough whether to repsect that musicians talent or not. like usher: i don't like his music but they guy really has talent and can play a lot of instruments (my friend lost a jupiter 6 to him). or n'sync: i hate their music and they don't really have any talent anyway because all their stuff is done for them. but as rodney dangerfield says, "i never get no respect!" and those stupid girls that listen to n'sync will never be able to repsect the music that i listen to. that makes them music snobs.

[wheezer]

I'll diss certain DJs, pop music et al. coz a lot of it just sounds plain half-assed to me, but I usually manage to bring up enough tolerance for most peoples tastes, especially if they aren't that developed yet - I've had too many people come up and ask me what the current rekkid playing is called to assume to much about a persons taste - after all, it's likely they've never heard some of the stuff I listen to...

[aleks]

i hate fuckin´trance and rave music...they should ban it. i don´t have a problem with the people who listen to it, because i don´t talk to them :)i have respect for´real´musicians of any genre, but not for that fake ass money makin´shit.

[M H]

Originally posted by grobelaar
<RANT>
So what is it with people who sit around saying things like "Oh I can't wait to go to Heaven this week, John Digweed and Danny Howells are playing and they're such good DJs, and then when I talk about the music I like and maybe see if they're up for coming out and experiencing sone of what I'm into they don't do anything but slag it off, I mean its not like they say no thanks, it not my cuppa tea, they actually sit and say its a load of shite...

Amazing, I mean I don't slag their shit off, cos to be honest it just doesn't interest me, and I least I'm not so arrogant as to realise that my ignorance of this music may make me look very stupid if I open my big fat mouth and let rip with a bunch of popular held misconceptions. Pity it doesn't work the other way round...

Why does everyone seem to be such genre snobs these days, its bad enough that these terms of journalistic endearment are bandied about like candy, without everyone running around convinced that the only way that they can defend and define their favoured music to others is by roundly stomping and slagging off the music that sits close to it. Not only does this show ignorance of music in general, but it seems that they can't even string two decent words together to describe what they do actually like...

Ignorance + Arrogance = Snobbery (otherwise known as Stupidity)
</RANT>

The housemates been getting to you again Ian?

I don't give a shit what anyone else says about the music I like or make... I think if I did there's no-way Id be into techno by now... it works the other way though as well, I saw some funny shit on a certain German forum, saying how my last DJ MH record on Jackstar was like total Schranzer music.. HAHA!
I'll say it once and for all, I owe you all nothing and I don't give a shit! Haha Hrdy Har har!:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Lady E]

what i hate is when people assume you like the same music as them. i always assume peoples tastes are really different to mine and just as varied. i wouldnt slag off the music people liked unless we were having a musical discussion. i totally agree with grobelaar.

[jamyna]

I agree that if someone listens to what I deem shite, then music becomes a definite no-go topic in my presence. In the worst cases I have in the past been branded a "music nazi". What CS was saying about the status of music in people's lives is true for those who frequent chart music clubpubs of a Saturday evening. However I feel even more awkward when I have to talk to someone impassioned with "shite" non-pop music. Nightmare. Even politics and religion are less taboo.

[gunjack]

what if:


some friends invite you to drive out to the country side with them. you accept. the drive takes 5 hours your friends friend puts on a fucking goa trance tape with non-stop 150bpm acid lines and cheesey movie samples... how long could you hold out before saying something as the tape is on repeat?

[grobelaar]

Yeah, I love my music as much as the next person and amongst friends I’ll talk until I’m blue in the face (although not quite as much as M H) about it and have some good healthy discussion – I don’t think that makes me a snob, just means I’m enthusiastic.

And I suppose the original post is me having a bit of dig at these people, (no they aren’t my housemates), they’re the John Digweed/Sasha/Fatboy Slim (et al) loving, Fabric going, HMV shopping nobbas who have the audacity to tell me my music is shit, like they’re holding some sort of musical taste high ground. I find it funny, because as far as I’m concerned they’re scrabbling around in the musical gutter, but my point is, that unlike them I don’t feel the need to piss all over them as they scramble for any scraps that my fall from Norman Cook’s coke table (sorry Norm you get all the blame, as the unofficial figurehead of all this rubbish).

Its not just that they like this music (that’s their own prerogative), it’s also that they’ve bought into the whole marketing hype that this is the very, very pinnacle of what can be achieved, its something so good in fact that there’s no point even trying to get involved – just buy the records and pay over the odds for the gigs so you can pay homage to these so-called Gods of Dance Music…

I’ll just stick to listening to my shit underground music, where I get put gigs on and go out have a laugh with people making some of the best music I know…

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by gunjack
what if:


some friends invite you to drive out to the country side with them. you accept. the drive takes 5 hours your friends friend puts on a fucking goa trance tape with non-stop 150bpm acid lines and cheesey movie samples... how long could you hold out before saying something as the tape is on repeat?

i know this but what will you do?
you dont want to be disrespectfull.........

what are you doing on a after hour if the musik sucks......????
ok..you can go but i think that is really disrespectfull.....
im not a music nazi but i know what i like and like to talk about it..................
sometimes you must accept the situation i think

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by Weishaupt


im not a music nazi


......maybe sometimes..............:<

[wheezer]

Originally posted by gunjack
what if:


some friends invite you to drive out to the country side with them. you accept. the drive takes 5 hours your friends friend puts on a fucking goa trance tape with non-stop 150bpm acid lines and cheesey movie samples... how long could you hold out before saying something as the tape is on repeat?

the obvious solution is to carry along some own tapes whereever one goes - after all, it's only fair that your stuff is also played on that 5 hour trip...

[gunjack]

i was just trying to make the point that there are circumstances where one can't help but be a music nazi...

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by gunjack
what if:


some friends invite you to drive out to the country side with them. you accept. the drive takes 5 hours your friends friend puts on a fucking goa trance tape with non-stop 150bpm acid lines and cheesey movie samples... how long could you hold out before saying something as the tape is on repeat?

The Comedy Solution...

Eject tape, and throw it out the car window (particularly while driving down the freeway/autobahn/motorway so that retrieval is very difficult)

The Psycho Solution...

Get them to stop at a little petrol station (like the ones you get in all good thrillers), while they are in the toilet, brutally murder them with a pry bar/tyre iron/wrench and then dress up in their goa trance clothes and continue on to the festival - if the music is much the same - go postal and brutally slay them all with automatic weapons... Hold the sound system guys hostage and then play blasting techno for days until finally the ATB/FBI take you down in a international televised blaze of glory...

Of course in the straight to TV dramatisation of these events, the music will of course be replaced with blasting techno of Sasha and John Digweed, just so's they can shift a few thousand quadruple CD mix albums...

[Weishaupt]

hmm
its difficult......



youre confident of´this....the sounds, the structure.....and you have a hard disscusion.......
and you dont go away of youe point, your opinion......
than youre a music nazi???
no.......maýbe you have a own point but youre open and tolerant and the most important thing, youre respectfull............

[Weishaupt]

hop,you guys understand my shitty english

[gunjack]

Originally posted by grobelaar


The Comedy Solution...

Eject tape, and throw it out the car window (particularly while driving down the freeway/autobahn/motorway so that retrieval is very difficult)


i did.

[aleks]

Originally posted by gunjack
what if:some friends invite you to drive out to the country side with them. you accept. the drive takes 5 hours your friends friend puts on a fucking goa trance tape with non-stop 150bpm acid lines and cheesey movie samples... how long could you hold out before saying something as the tape is on repeat?

not long...i guarantee.

[aleks]

i used to work in the volkswagen factory two months in summer.while working there was music on, so everybody brought their music...well, i had to listen to dj ötzi 10 times in 5 seconds or so and lots of other bullshit. it wasn´t funny...so i brought some of my tapes and when i played them but they turned them off after 5 minutes, claiming that this isn´t music...a serious discussion broke out and i had to tell them 100times that if i listen to their music they have to listen to my stuff. i guess they didn´t understand, but i played my stuff anyway. i might be a music nazi or snob, but not as bad as the others who don´t understand shit.

[gunjack]

our music raises issues.

[Weishaupt]

few weeks ago i sit in a ice-cafe and cheesy soubds was in the background...........sudenly cames the ketchup-song and the girls behind me starts to to dance in theyre sittposition..................

i was scared!!!!!!!!!Really......... ........
on this situation its difficult for me te become not a music nazi.....

[grobelaar]

You know, I don't think I've ever heard any Goa Trance. I didn't get into this shit until a few years ago and I don't think any of my friends were ever into it (or at least they're keepin' quiet about it)...

[gunjack]

Originally posted by grobelaar
You know, I don't think I've ever heard any Goa Trance.


lucky!8-()

[Weishaupt]

......but...you must say the goa greaks are very friendly..........

[gunjack]

this is true.

[jamyna]

My work colleagues all have different musical tastes to my own (no surprises there) and have taken to making "themed" CD compilations for each other, complete with artwork and introduction text. If anyone's seen "High Fidelity" - its worse. So anyway I don’t usually partake in these festivities, because, believe it or not, I have more things to fill my spare time with than taking an image from my favourite childhood TV show then filling a CD with Ned Atomic Dusty Bin records etc. This time around however, I suggested the theme should be "Endurance" ..... think I'll be winning this round........

[wheezer]

@gunjack

I'm almost convinced that there usually is a way to avoid being a music nazi - btw, I'm not claiming for myself that I get out of every such situation without naziying it up (what a verb!)...

[gunjack]

i do agree, but sometimes you just gotta throw the trancers in the oven...



did i just say that?



i better get some sleep.



see you tomorrow erutufon. :D

[pille'ocheoni]

you want a massage?how about a lolipop?are you rollin?AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH.

[Tomoki]

Originally posted by aleks
a serious discussion broke out and i had to tell them 100times that if i listen to their music they have to listen to my stuff. i guess they didn´t understand,

That’s a serious problem for you. 100 people against 1!lol

[Mercedez Ben]

what i'm not sure i get is how one can consider oneself a music snob. sounds like you're being a bitch is all. weed snob, i kinda get, not wanting to smoke ditch herb and have a lousy high. but that's a little more objective. there's so much to learn about music that it seems wiser to be humble about it. not mention more respectful. i still love the music i loved 4 years ago but really, there's some stuff that i dissed then that i like now. one's pallet becomes more complex with maturity. if you let it, that is. gone to lunch for an hour so i won't be here to argue/agree.

1luv

[Daddys Girl]

I'm pretty much with Emma on this one...

Me and my mates dont really have much in common when it comes to music - and I love it. More scope, elements to compare, and much more varied taste - it's interesting.

I like all sorts of stuff - from what some could call cheesy 80's pop, (& even recent cheese like Alcazar - always brings a smile to my face)
through to the kinda music that brought me to No-Future in the first place. If I were to quote some artists names and songs to my friends, I can guarantee all but one of them would know who I'm talking about. (that would be my best mate, who for example, knows who Super_Collider are, but isn't really into their music)

I also have pretty limited knowledge when it comes to other types of music - name a DJ, and ask me what music they specialise in, and Im more than likely to draw a total blank - all the more reason to keep your ears and mind open I guess. Sometimes, some of the musical threads on this beloved board mean nothing to me - artists and tunes that I've never heard of! But Im always willing to have a search, and see if I like it/them.

Let the beat go on...
D_G
;o)

[LEFTHANDLOU]

I just figure everyones taste is different you know, shit we can't all like the same shit.

I Just hate on suckers, . Like Nelly, fuck! all these bullets in the world, and that bitch has not caught a hot one.

"it's getting hot in here" hell yeah motherfucker thats cause i'm hitting you with a flamethrower. And take that band aid off you silly cunt !

[zombie ritual]

I try to avoid talking about music to people of which I'm not sure that they are into what I'm into, partially because of shyness, partially because I'm too lazy and don't see the point of having to justify myself for what I like. I also never critisise other people's taste if I don't know them well, even if they ask me. Plus, I'm never sure if I'm on the right side so to speak. I mean, why should a reasonable human being listen to Merzbow or Cannibal Corpse or György Ligeti or NF-techno, for that matter. So I always think that maybe it's me who is on the wrong track. I do, however, have periods of musical snobbery, especially when I'm around the few people who like the same shit as I do. Then we bitch together about the rest of the world.

[Sheridan]

yeah I have learned or decided not to talk about music that much to anyone. unless I know them and we are on the same page. my thing is is that I love to talk about music, but I find it hard to talk to someone that isn't into the same thing. if someone starts to talk about someone that I don't like; like oakenfold I just 'yeah I am not a big fan of his stuff'. then the other person usually asks why so I reply 'I'd rather not say because I don't want you to catch any feelings'. only if they really want to will I go into it. I can listen to anything. and like I said I give anything a shot, I don't want to miss out on anything. but I certainly know when to keep my mouth shut. which sucks because like I said I love to talk about music. I mainly talk about music here and with a few other friends where it is cool 'to agree to disagree'.

[wheezer]

hey hey hey, nothing against nelly. I really liked country grammar, and hot in here is quite too imho... that collaboration with kelly reaps less props in my musical field otoh...

@gunjack
point taken & full ack, nice delivery there...
as a german one has gotta be _real_ careful with those kinda statements hehe...

[gunjack]

as an american i gotta be real careful with every statement, but i AIN'T most of the time heh...


you know why americans have a reputation for being crass and obnoxious? because we are

[Lady E]

just to confirm grobelaar's point about the norm mafia

i think they think that this is not only brilliant music, but its somehow unpretentious and therefore much more democratic than anything else.

here's the worst album review Raw Digits received, from the worst magazine ever, MINISTRY


Super_Collider
'Insanity'
(yes they even managed to get the album title wrong)

Brighton. We tell you, its a funny old place. On the one hand, home of Norman, Skint and 1001 unpretentious parties. On the other, stuffed to the gills with the electronica mafia, two of whom currently inhabit Super_Collider. Though it must be admitted, neither of them actually live in Brighton any more. Oh no. they're far too cool for that. So 'Insanity' was recorded in their respective homes of Barcelona and Berlin, as well as a smattering of overdubs in oh-so passe Brighton town. The result is the sound of the production duo who produced the jaw dropping Darn Cold Way o Loving a couple of years back disappearing slowly but surely up each other's rectums. and that as far as we can see really isnt that cool. so there. 3/10, JH

so there we go. absolute inaccuracy, bitterness and hatred - and why? because its different music to what Skint releases, its not in the superstar dj mould.oh and the band moved away from brighton

what kind of vile human being writes stuff like that

fine - dont like the album, but all this other stuff is just a waste of everyone's time.

[jamyna]

Thats the biggest load of bollox i've read in a while, but surley you don't expect Ministry to know anything about real music?

[gunjack]

that review could very well be taken as a HUGE compliment.

[grobelaar]

Hmmm, I remember reading this. I have a friend who lives in a house that one of the Ministry freelancers used to live in and consequently, for his sins, he still gets a free copy delivered every month. I was quite dismayed at the time and almost wrote a letter, but in the end I couldn’t be bothered to waste my time.

Perhaps if they’d taken an ad in the magazine then the record might have warranted a more favourable review, while I’m sure a run of double page ads would probably get a glowing feature review and a free editorial feature thrown in to boot.

But the critical point is that Raw Digits is clearly a damn fine album (personally I still rate it as one of the best piece of music to come out this year). Its such a shame that the editorial team at Ministry have seen fit to use this opportunity to review the album to publish a personal attack against Jamie and Cristian, as it just further proves that Ministry despite the apparent subject matter has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with music. Perhaps they should consider moving the style of the mag, to more of a dance music version of Hello, as it is clearly more suited to their gutter snipe style of writing.

[owain_k]

U'll be glad to know that this particular rag has recently gone out of business then !!!

[jerm]

in the same manner that we deal with the politics, religion and
food service of the era and society that we live in, I feel that, as the intelligent ones of the bunch, we can see the average and main stream music as just another, sometimes annoying or disagreeable,
expression of where everyone is at. Before we can change our reality, we must accept it. But don't think I can't relate with snobbery. I haven't played my records for anyone who has appreciated them for a while and it does suck. Maybe there should just be more "underground" communities. This site is a total vent for me, as I'm sure it is for all of you. Remember Ghandi's words:
"Be the change you want to see in the world." That is what I feel we are all doing and DAMN IT FEELS GOOD!!!

[grobelaar]

Emma, In future, rather than sending the Ministry office actual copies of Rise Robots Rise releases, perhaps a roll of that expensive quilted velvet toilet paper, with a note saying

"Dear Ministry,
As you clearly don't need the records to write your reviews we thought it'd be easier on your rectums if you used this complimentary toilet paper to wipe your arses rather than our records. After all, we wouldn't want to interrupt the flow of your creative juices."

Now that's rude :-)

PS, don't forget to dust them down with minute traces of Cayenne Pepper and liquid acid (as someone is bound to actually use the bog roll)

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by emma

Super_Collider
'Insanity'
(yes they even managed to get the album title wrong)

Brighton. We tell you, its a funny old place. On the one hand, home of Norman, Skint and 1001 unpretentious parties. On the other, stuffed to the gills with the electronica mafia, two of whom currently inhabit Super_Collider. Though it must be admitted, neither of them actually live in Brighton any more. Oh no. they're far too cool for that. So 'Insanity' was recorded in their respective homes of Barcelona and Berlin, as well as a smattering of overdubs in oh-so passe Brighton town. The result is the sound of the production duo who produced the jaw dropping Darn Cold Way o Loving a couple of years back disappearing slowly but surely up each other's rectums. and that as far as we can see really isnt that cool. so there. 3/10, JH

so there we go. absolute inaccuracy, bitterness and hatred - and why? because its different music to what Skint releases, its not in the superstar dj mould.oh and the band moved away from brighton

what kind of vile human being writes stuff like that

fine - dont like the album, but all this other stuff is just a waste of everyone's


ok if I had not known about S_C I still would not know what kind of music they do from that review. and I use that term loosely. first of all who gives a fuck where someone is from or how or where they recorded it. they didn't even mention any of the songs. what they sound like and the such. why does it get a 3/10....? the end result is the most important. that review is some bullshit. I myself haven't heard the album yet (too poor :( !!) but I have the first ep and thought it was brilliant. can't wait to actually hear raw digits in full.
I am glad that ministry is going under. good ridance.

ps. what exactly is the sound of two producers disappearing into each other rectums???

[invisibleplanet]

grobelaar - my sides are splitting with that witty retort u wrote!

anyway - i thought ministry of sound were going down the proverbial tube.

i don't have time/inclination to slate other people's music if it doesn't fall to my liking. I notice there are far too many dj's/producer's who litter various forums around the worlds with their scathing diatribes - probably entering the realms of petty one-up-manship in some vain attempt to inflate their own sense of importance. it sux, and it sux bad - ah well- let's hope they get it in the neck in the same way they give it out: a musical karma running over their dogma, so to speak!

[wheezer]

Originally posted by gunjack
that review could very well be taken as a HUGE compliment.

exactly!

btw, I just remembered today that the onion actually sells the ultimate music_nazi t-shirt:

https://store.theonion.com/cgi-bin/store/EDCstore.pl?user_action=list&category=Apparel;Slogan+T-Shirts;Your+favorite+band+suck s.+T-Shirt

[jukka]

i respect most music styles as there are allways some tracks which I like....i just hate all this cheap (mostly covered) chart bullshit....and i can't understand how a "normal and yes even sometimes grown up human" can listen to this bullshit.....äh.
i made the same experience like aleks in the vw factory.........i had to listen to klaus und klaus (exampkle for a song: "da steht ein pferd auf dem flur") album 3 times in succession.....but when i brought a tape with some easy house music they turned off after the third track........after that it was enough and i turned off the music at all and told them not to put on again.......so i had my peace for at least one day :(
damn vw monkeys !!!!!

but you can eat the best currywurst there :D

[jukka]

Originally posted by M H
I saw some funny shit on a certain German forum, saying how my last DJ MH record on Jackstar was like total Schranzer music.. HAHA!
I'll say it once and for all, I owe you all nothing and I don't give a shit! Haha Hrdy Har har!:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
hahaha.....i read this as well mark "the schranz" hawkins.

or do you like it more to be called richie hawtin ?????
(((ya know what i am talking about ?? ((((
lol :D lol

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by jukka

hahaha.....i read this as well mark "the schranz" hawkins.

or do you like it more to be called richie hawtin ?????
(((ya know what i am talking about ?? ((((
lol :D lol

When people review records you'd at least expect them not to be such fuckheads that they forget they've got the decks pitched up to +12 from cheesy shit they were playing the night before...

[Tomoki]

Originally posted by jukka
ibut when i brought a tape with some easy house music they turned off after the third track........

Did they notice the third track?

In my opinion the mainstream-chart user never knows when one track fades into another. They think all is the same track
lol

That’s why in chart clubs they made horrible crossings or stop playing a track and then start the next one only because the audience needs this to notice the following track
lol

[dajackal]

I really like the expression the Ministry used to describe S_C, "the electronica mafia". Right on.
It is unbelievable how stupid this "review" is, do they get paid by judge jules or tall paul to slag off real artists, sounds like a conspiracy against good music (cus i can't believe anybody would be stupid enough to believe this, unless their head is where I have my rectum, and that would be an ugly site).

Articles like these make me a musical snob, no mercy. I admit that in uni I hanged out with friends who listened to a lot of .... bad music (trance, sascha etc..), but it doesn't really matter as long as you don't listen to it out of your own choice. At least you know what you know about music and thats what matters.

I am now going to get a subscription to Ministry - I guess i need to do a lot of catching up on the electronic music scene, since i listen to "electronic mafia" releases that only get a 3/10 review.lol

- cheerz to the electronic mafia !!

[Mui]

I've been known by my mates as a bit of a music snob.....I had a massive argument with someone about how terrible rammstein were (the person loved them) and how they were so faux-hardcore they made me laugh, and the singer sounds like the cookie monster.....but I guess I had a bad day.
At work I have to listen to the dixie chicks....a lot

as far as that S_C alb review goes....rawdigits hasn't left my cd player yet.....and I've had it for yonks now....months, no other cd has been played that many times in a row by me ever...