Neue Heimat and the drugs...

[wocek]

original posted/mailed by wired/svenfromstuggitown: hi there!

i just write this in english after i postet the original text in some communitys in germany...

maybe all of you know the problem with too many drugs in clubs. it's become more and more, and the people get younger and younger, taking all drugs they can get... speed, pieces, dope, h, crystal...

last night all guests at the neue heimat club (stuttgart) got a flyer from the club owner, alex, with the following text (translated into english):

xxx
Music NOT Drugs!

It noticed to us that "celebrations" is more important to many of our guests probably than the music, which is the center of attention for us as the operators.

For this reason the continuity of the Neue Heimat @ Club Prag is threatened - on the part of the authorities and on the part of our own self understanding.

That does not please us and therefore would like we you to the existing rules to refer:

Guests, who are to our opinion after under drugs, are not let in into the club - all the same whether at the beginning of the evening or in the process.

Guests, who are to our opinion after under drugs and are found in the club, must leave and know the club immediately on it to count the police to be transferred.

Guests, with whom drugs are guaranteed, are transferred to the police.

We operate closely with the police together around us against dealers and consumers to protect.

Help us the NEUE HEIMAT keep alive.

xxx

last night i saw some people took away by the police, and i saw many people put out of the club by the doorkeepers and many who were denied at the door...
i hope it's not too late for the nh club... one of the last good clubs in europe...

cheers,

sven
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

just thought that's better to post it here...

[jukka]

i am wondering how many people have there been left in the club ???
because i think there are at least 50% or more (i tend to more than 50% ) on drugs !?!
i think kicking out and transfering a dealer to the police is ok.....but kick out somebody who is maybe on 1 E ???
i mean.....aaahh..........blabla blabla...lol

[jukka]

Originally posted by wocek
original posted/mailed by wired/svenfromstuggitown: hi there!

i just write this in english after i postet the original text in some communitys in germany...

maybe all of you know the problem with too many drugs in clubs. it's become more and more, and the people get younger and younger, taking all drugs they can get... speed, pieces, dope, h, crystal...

what is sooo bäd with dope, smoking a joint ???

and who the hell is taking h in a club ???

[invisibleplanet]

wocek, du hast rechts...

This kind of statement is ok!

Many Excellent long-running clubs have experienced in their history, a plague of drug dealers.
Some have even had to close for some short time because of the disrespect from those 'drugs salesmen' who go there purely to make money. It's terrible for those who want to go there to enjoy the music and the company of like-minded people to see their club closed because of these reasons.
Clear Anti-drugs notices, a good search policy on the door, and eagle-eyed bouncers serve to protect clubs from closure by those entrepreneurial black marketeers, who would only move to another patch if the club was forced to close.

Neue Heimat has Europe wide respect for providing the best of the best music nights and dj's, and it's a good thing that they tell the club-goers what is at stake here. They're not alone in these problems, and I hope there will be no long-term harm to them. They remain a well respected club for music.

Whilst in UK and Germany, some drugs like alcohol and nicotine are legal, and many many others are not, there will always be these considerations to take into account when partying in public. If people do take drugs when they go clubbing, it seems only fair to your favourite club to abide by these legal considerations, and not treat the club as though it were your own home.

Music lovers & club goers can, and probably always will do what they like in the privacy of their own homes and private parties, but going to a club is a public event, and the authorities licence these venues for music, and can take the licence away if they are not happy with what's going on there.

It's not worth the risk to jeopardise the club so.

jukka - du kümmerst für dein Club,Ja? Vielleicht du bist unrichtig in dein Annahme dass 50% von dies club hast etwas Drogen genommen, weil dein Einsicht konnt unrichtung sein, wenn du auf Drogen dein selbst ist.

jukka - u care for your Club, yes? Perhaps u are incorrect in your assumption that 50% of this club have taken some drugs, because your insight could be incorrect if u are on drugs yourself.

[aleks]

i am with jukka on this one, there are always probably 50% of the people on drugs, in some clubs even more... and yes, what´s the problem of taking one E? and smoking joints should be tolerated...i mean getting kicked out of a club because of weed is ridiculous.

[M H]

As I said to Tanja last time I was in Stuttgart, after being told that the local police were hanging about down the road from club Prag, it's a shame they don't have anything better to do than harass people who are just having a good time... I mean, don't get me wrong, I think the (Ab)use of drugs has been bad for the scene in a lot of ways, but what happens when the youth of a city have nothing to do and no-where to go? You only have to look at a lot of the more provincial towns and cities in the UK to see what having nothing to do and no-where for the youth to have fun results in... an increase in Vandalism, Violence and Hard drug abuse.....

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by jukka


what is sooo bäd with dope, smoking a joint ???

and who the hell is taking h in a club ???

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with smoking grass!

it's ok in england to smoke grass in the privacy of your own home, especially if u bought it with your own legitimately earned money. there thankfully a lax policy on this for private use, and no one ever stops u from smoking at a festival, the Police will always get tough with a club over drugs - here in UK and in Germany also.

And here is the reason why u should support the Club's Announcement. Neue Heimat will be made to suffer by the POLICE if they don't take a stand. Who knows what has happened? Perhaps one or more idiot drug dealers have been caught on the street with a pocketful of E's and when asked where he got them from, maybe he used Neue Heimat's name, and said he got them from there, in order to protect his dealer friends.

We had a great youth Pub in our hometown which was always being raided, because when someone was caught with some dope on him, they would say that they had bought it from a man at this Pub. The Police made life difficult for this pub, and it was eventually closed for a short while, and newspapers and humiliation for the owners.and BIG mean looking bouncers put at the door, in order that it be allowed to keep it's licence.

[M H]

I think the police hanging about down the road from Neue Heimat, and swab testing people as they were walking home from the club was a bit below the belt... Am I right in thinking that even consumption is illegal in germany?

[zongkong]

sure I can understand the statement - but why have such a close cooperation with cops?

[wired]

thanks wocek for posting it here :) (i wasn't shure to do it here)

maybe... i wrote...taking weed, pills, h... (for h i should wrote cocaine, not h... sorry...)

for me it's no problem when people take pills, amphetamines or just smoke some gras... but the law in germany is hard enough... any consume is forbidden, only the drugs who give the government her dutys are allowed (alcohol, cigarettes). in some german states the police is more tollerant than here in stuttgart. for example in hessen it's no problem to take some drugs, you only don't have to drive... in a club, normally the police don't do anything... but in the south of germany, it's harder. here, when you get caught by the police with only one E or some gras, you have to fear around your driving licence (and when you lose it you have to pay up to more thousand euros to get it again after a year...)
the police has nothing better to do than hang around in the streets around the heimat and controll people, and go in civilian outfit into the club and look around like a control camera in a shopping mall...

i don't know how many percents of the nh-guests are taking drugs, but the police has a problem with any of them... most of the users are young silly people, going from one club to another, searching for progressive techno (schranz) and taking drugs like another man drinks water... i remember a night when i was outside with some friends, and there were some guys i never seen before... and they said to her friends how many E's they took and that they could take more than another of them... 10 pieces or more... crazy...

i don't want to lose the heimat only because of such people and i support tanja and daniel because of this... they don't want to treat the people, they want to save the club... when they don't cooperate with the police, maybe the club get's closed... like stammheim, oz, omen... etc...

[actionjetzon]

I heared that the police even inspect people which used the Shuttle Service from the city to the Neue Heimat.
When they find drugs like E´s, or maybee even weed (i don´t know really), your drivers license is away...those bastards...how strange is that.

[wired]

that's normally here... it's enough when they found a joint... or maybe they took a lamp to test your eyes... when they don't react on the light change they take you to their station... or they make another test... then they take some blood, sometimes you must take your completely clothes off...
maybe, when you get a good judge, you get a second chance... when you say it was your first drug you took and never do it again etc... but when you get catched with some g's of weed or maybe 5 E's ... they say it's more than you need for yourself, you're a dealer... and you loose your driving licence 100%...
after waiting a year you could ask them for giving it back... then you have to go to the "mpu" (german people are fear of it) like medical psychological test and sometimes you pay more than 2tsd euro to get the licence back... or they say you could make your driving school and licence a second time... another 2thousand euro...

some reasons for don't taking drugs....

[actionjetzon]

...or a reason to give my voice the "Bündnis 90 die Grünen"...lol

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by actionjetzon
I heared that the police even inspect people which used the Shuttle Service from the city to the Neue Heimat.
When they find drugs like E´s, or maybee even weed (i don´t know really), your drivers license is away...those bastards...how strange is that.

it's not strange, it's the law!
I would NEVER get into a car with someone who had been under the influence of drugs of any kind stronger than a painkiller.
Weed, E and Alcohol all affect your ability to drive safely. If anyone is so stupid as to take drugs, and then drive, in my opinion, they deserve to have their license taken from them. To drive whilst under the influence is like saying u don't care about other people, either pedestrians, other drivers, or even the people who are in the car with u - it's a total disrespect for your own and someone elses life, and a gamble of the worst kind. Use a taxi..it's what they're for.

[actionjetzon]

yeah you´re right,
and that is why some people let their car at home and take this Shuttle Bus Service!
The police exactly know that these people taking the bus, because they under any influence of drugs. And than they catch them and take-off their licence...suckers

[actionjetzon]

i don´t if taxis are cheaper in the UK, but in Germany they are really expensive!

[invisibleplanet]

My local techno club in england is the Orbit, (now running for 11 years in it's current location) and I and EVERYONE i know, would never take drugs into our club because we love and respect the club too much to jeopardise it's music license. The Orbit has, in the past, experienced the same problems as Neue Heimat is faced with now, and came through these problems with it's integrity intact, and I'm certain it will be the same for Neue Heimat.

if Daniel wants a dialogue with a fellow world class electronic music provider, the he can email 48 at theorbit@macunlimited.net , for the story from a providers perspective....

My regards and support also go to Neue Heimat in this trying time.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by actionjetzon
i don´t if taxis are cheaper in the UK, but in Germany they are really expensive!

I don't know if this will help - but to travel by taxi for approximately 7 -10 miles costs £10-£15. I always share with a friend.

Also, the Orbit has hired it's own bus service which picks up from the University Steps, some 5 miles or so away, and returns club-goers there at the end of the night. I think this a good alternative private solution to a Public Bus Service. They did this because the students don't have much money spare for taxis and as u can see, they are quite expensive here also. Also, we don't have late night Public Transport in our area.

[actionjetzon]

I think every Techno-Club has these problems! Techno=Drugs!
Unfortunately most people do it this way, like jukka and aleks said.
For the most druffies, techno isn´t techno without drugs! They only go to partys to take this stuff. When they haven´t the chance to go in the club without any drug-influence, they won´t come in the future. Thats fact after my opinion...

I don´t do drugs, except for dope/weed, and i´ve never done it.

[bitch one]

i'm starting to feel glad i live in scotland :)

[actionjetzon]

I think party people in the UK are much older than in Germany, we´ve really really much (drug-)kids here in some clubs.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by actionjetzon
I think every Techno-Club has these problems! Techno=Drugs!
Unfortunately most people do it this way, like jukka and aleks said.
For the most druffies, techno isn´t techno without drugs! They only go to partys to take this stuff. When they haven´t the chance to go in the club without any drug-influence, they won´t come in the future. Thats fact after my opinion...

I don´t do drugs, except for dope/weed, and i´ve never done it.

well i think your opinion of techno=drugs is incorrect! sorry if that offends u.
to me: techno=music.
techno=excellent contemporary music, especially to dance to.

For those who have become used to 'partying ' or 'celebrating in public under the influence of drugs, they could perhaps use this announcement from Neue Heimat and make one experiment: go there without having taken drugs and see if that takes their enjoyment away.
I guess that if they all took a placebo instead of an E, they would still enjoy themselves and think they were high from the buzz of the music, dancing and company. If they are not able to do this, they prove to me that they are enslaved by drugs (which is drug abuse, not use!) and not 'captivated by music'.

[actionjetzon]

Yeah and you´re right again....maybee you got wrong what i´ve said, because of my stupid english.
HERE on this forum e.g., are people whcih are really interested in the music!

I give a fuck on drugs on a party,....okay some booze is cool!
But i think more than 50% won´t party without drugs!
"Techno=Drugs" this means the scene....NOT THE MUSIC............ the other way it would be rubbish

[bitch one]

Originally posted by actionjetzon
I think party people in the UK are much older than in Germany, we´ve really really much (drug-)kids here in some clubs.

not true really - most of my friends have stopped going to test, the crowd is pretty young. and they certainly pull some interesting faces judging by the photos i took last friday. and good luck to them. the kids are all right - they are having fun. personally i would rather a club was full of gurning monkeys, it makes for a much better atmosphere. stop whining you SQUARES :)

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by actionjetzon
[B]Yeah and you´re right again....maybee you got wrong what i´ve said, because of my stupid english.
HERE on this forum e.g., are people whcih are really interested in the music! [b]

hehe i and many others here can understand german well - so please feel free to write it here if u think it helps u communicate! ich konnte deutsch gut verstehen, so es freut mich wenn du es hier zu schreiben willst, wenn es dich hilft, und wir können immer ein übersetzungen zu benutzen. (as u can see - i have the same problem writing german *g*)

this drugs abuse problem is everywhere among the young people - in all genres house, in disco, in goth, in metal, and not only techno/electronic.

I think it's time that the Police took these drug-worries to higher levels than just arresting the end users and pressurising the places where they choose to congregate, and make pressures on other people in the public eye, like city councils to improve things for young people.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by bitch one


not true really - most of my friends have stopped going to test, the crowd is pretty young. and they certainly pull some interesting faces judging by the photos i took last friday. and good luck to them. the kids are all right - they are having fun. personally i would rather a club was full of gurning monkeys, it makes for a much better atmosphere. stop whining you SQUARES :)

I assure u I am no square...

but the solid fact remains, that around 25% of young people aged 18-25 use ecstasy as their drug, instead of alcohol, and we don't even know what the long-term affects of such use may be. i've heard rumours of long-term use contributing to depression, and sleep-related problems. we don't know if people are actually taking the drug ecstasy, or some cheaper substitute. It must be the longest unoffical drug-trial in the world! Perhaps testing centres are the way to go, seeing as a large part of the youth population seems to be unwilling to stop partying this way.

also u may find this article interesting:
Cannabis cleared - with a warning

Experts pave way for relaxation in law though drug can be harmful

Alan Travis Home affairs editor
Guardian

Friday March 15, 2002


Government medical experts yesterday provided the hard scientific evidence that will finally clear the way for a relaxation of Britain's cannabis laws. The official report from the advisory council on the misuse of drugs (ACMD), commissioned by the home secretary David Blunkett last October, comes out firmly in favour of downgrading cannabis from class B to class C legal status but warns that it is not a harmless drug.

It also says that reducing the penalties for cannabis possession is unlikely to lead to a significant increase in its use.

The report concludes that one of the main long-term health risks from cannabis comes from smoking it; in fact, it may be more dangerous than smoking cigarettes because it has a higher concentration of carcinogens.

But the council does seem to suggest that using cannabis might actually be as good as going to the gym as it produces an increased heart rate: "The cardiovascular actions of cannabis are similar to the effects of exercise, and probably do not constitute a significant risk in health to adolescents and young adults."

The main findings of the report are: · High use of cannabis is not associated with major health problems for individuals or society.

· Occasional use of cannabis is only rarely associated with significant problems in otherwise healthy individuals, with the main worry being impaired control of your movements. It can also disrupt the control of blood pressure and increase the risk of fainting.

· However, occasional use can pose significant dangers for those with heart and circulation disorders and for those with schizophrenia.

²bitchone, but i AM interested to hear what your thoughts would be, if your club issued such a flyer to u and your friends? would u still go?

[bitch one]

i don't care what legal hoops they have to jump through to keep the police happy. there was a time when the police here got really interested in clubber's habits and they had a bit of a crackdown etc. it blew over when the police eventually realised it was a waste of time, and now they seem to be completely tolerant. we have a huge heroin problem in glasgow - i think that's what they concentrate on now, quite rightly.

as for the 'dangers' of ecstasy, i would say we have been involved in a giant experiment, millions of people taking this drug in uncontrolled conditions for 10-15 years now. this is much bigger than a clinical trial. if there were long term negative effects, people would be presenting themselves to doctors in their thousands by now, and they are not. therefore it is reasonable to assume that there are none.

[actionjetzon]

I would go for sure...but as i say, i think many people would not.
Personaly i dont like these typical druffies.

But all this action will destroy the clubs....viele Clubs könnten auf Grund der sinkenden Besucherzahlen, wovon ich jetzt einfach mal ausgehe, die regulären Kosten nicht mehr tragen.
:)

[bitch one]

ps- i ain't saying ecstasy doesn't have bad short term effects - it does, i've seen them.

[KaOz]

http://www.technoguide.de/newswriter/article.php?article_file=10369 48112.php

mauahahaahaahhaha

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by actionjetzon
yeah you´re right,
and that is why some people let their car at home and take this Shuttle Bus Service!
The police exactly know that these people taking the bus, because they under any influence of drugs. And than they catch them and take-off their licence...suckers

That is fucking shocking, surely that should be illegal, its certainly an infringement of people's civil liberties!

What legal reason can they give for taking your driving license away because you did the sensible thing and took the Shuttle Bus, rather than drive your car...

Personally, and I have thought this for a long time, that in order to make our voices heard that clubbers, party goers, djs, producers and promotors and so forth in each country and across the world need to join together and show their governments that they are a sizable community who deserve to have their views respected and taken into account - I don't mean by going around organising illegal parties, I mean through proper channels. This is how the gay communities across the world got better rights and civil liberties, not because everyone become more open minded and compassionate, but because they all got together and showed their respective governments that they are a sizable body of voters.

I honestly find it quite difficult that the German Police do that, its the stuff of a Police State, is that really all they can think of to fight their so-called War on Drugs...

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet


quote:
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Cannabis cleared - with a warning

Experts pave way for relaxation in law though drug can be harmful

Alan Travis Home affairs editor
Guardian

Friday March 15, 2002


Government medical experts yesterday provided the hard scientific evidence that will finally clear the way for a relaxation of Britain's cannabis laws. The official report from the advisory council on the misuse of drugs (ACMD), commissioned by the home secretary David Blunkett last October, comes out firmly in favour of downgrading cannabis from class B to class C legal status but warns that it is not a harmless drug.

It also says that reducing the penalties for cannabis possession is unlikely to lead to a significant increase in its use.

The report concludes that one of the main long-term health risks from cannabis comes from smoking it; in fact, it may be more dangerous than smoking cigarettes because it has a higher concentration of carcinogens.

But the council does seem to suggest that using cannabis might actually be as good as going to the gym as it produces an increased heart rate: "The cardiovascular actions of cannabis are similar to the effects of exercise, and probably do not constitute a significant risk in health to adolescents and young adults."

The main findings of the report are: · High use of cannabis is not associated with major health problems for individuals or society.

· Occasional use of cannabis is only rarely associated with significant problems in otherwise healthy individuals, with the main worry being impaired control of your movements. It can also disrupt the control of blood pressure and increase the risk of fainting.

· However, occasional use can pose significant dangers for those with heart and circulation disorders and for those with schizophrenia.
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But this is just more fucking propaganda, the actual penalties and advice to Police for Class C drugs are so vague in their description that it actually hands more power to the Police. It is entirely up to the desk sgt at the Police station as to whether you get a caution or get slapped for exactly the same penalties as Class B...

And besides, its still illegal, did they not read the report, I bet a similar study into the effects of alcohol wouldn't make such good reading...

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by KaOz
http://www.technoguide.de/newswriter/article.php?article_file=10369 48112.php

mauahahaahaahhaha

gutes gesagt!

danke - vieleicht wir können hier register und etwas posten machen?

[jukka]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet

For those who have become used to 'partying ' or 'celebrating in public under the influence of drugs, they could perhaps use this announcement from Neue Heimat and make one experiment: go there without having taken drugs and see if that takes their enjoyment away.
I guess that if they all took a placebo instead of an E, they would still enjoy themselves and think they were high from the buzz of the music, dancing and company. If they are not able to do this, they prove to me that they are enslaved by drugs (which is drug abuse, not use!) and not 'captivated by music'.

i also go clubbing (most) without doing "hard" drugs and i definately enjoy it very much (so..huh..i still enjoy without taking illegal substances) !!! ;)
but sometimes (few times a year) i just want to get high on an E.
but i guess no one who never touched can't understand why doing that.
even i would never touch an E at home or in my hometown.

[marcel]

Originally posted by jukka


but i guess no one who never touched can't understand why doing that.


i did never took an E or anything else. but i know (of course) a lot of people taking drugs. good friends taking drugs or who did it in the past are always telling me to don't start this. like smoking, you once started..

i even don't smoke, sometimes people hearing this are looking at me like i'm an alien..
maybe i am

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by marcel


i did never took an E or anything else. but i know (of course) a lot of people taking drugs. good friends taking drugs or who did it in the past are always telling me to don't start this. like smoking, you once started..

i even don't smoke, sometimes people hearing this are looking at me like i'm an alien..
maybe i am

your friends are good friends to give this advice to you!
and you yourself, remaining clean of drugs will probably give them strength in some way.

I have an idea, that by driving drug use out of clubs, and underground, it will make more problems for the young people.
does anyone else have ideas on this?

[Yer_Maw]

http://www.newscientist.co.uk/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993015

again proving that until someone does an unbiased full investigation into recretional drugs we will never know the dangers or even the benefits!The amount of rubbish science that occurs due to bias makes finding the truth, at the moment about E so difficult because there is no HARD FACTS!

I mean remember the drink water when on E thing? what happened to that campaign, that message seems a bit quiet these days? "Right so ecstasy acts as a diuretic and people dance and sweat.... get on the phone to the prime minister! Ecstasy abusers need water." where was guy sayin "shouldn't we test this first?"

At the moment, like marcel the best place to get advice and information is from freinds that have experience. no article or paper has even came close to what i know about e through experimenting on myself.

[Django]

well, drugs are everywhere...

who cares?

[invisibleplanet]

I care deeply for this.

The street drugs are trafficked by people who do not care about those who consume them.

perhaps Neue Heimat could make up some Drug Information Leaflets, and begin to educate the club-goers of the risks they are taking when they buy illegal street drugs, and what can happen when some of these drugs are mixed with alcohol (like GHB - very dangerous)

http://www.observer.co.uk/drugs/story/0,11908,686670,00.html

there are many more information pages available on the inet.

It would be showing good faith if Neue Heimat joined in with the education of the club-goers, and would show the club-goers that they care for their welfare, as I know they do care deeply. Perhaps the police/government will provide some funding to cover the costs of these leaflets.

[Weishaupt]

we have not all informations about the neueheimat and the police...........
we cam just make speculate........
everything else is dispensable................... .

[aleks]

we had or still have an organisation here in germany called eve&rave, educating people about drugs at parties, you could even test your E´s and so on, a so called drug-checking.but it is kinda criminalised here. i think the government doesn´t want a proper education all they want is paranoia.

[deccard]

people should have the right to take drugs.
they should have the right to make experiences for themself and learn from this experiences.
i´m old enough to elect a government which supports wars so why am i not old enough to choose just for myself whats good and whats not?
of course there is a general lack of education and drugs are a strange topic for those conservative heads. for them it´s just something they need to control not understand.
they can control alcohol and tobaco and earn a lot money thru taxes but this still are drugs. my first cigarette had more effects on me than my first pull at a tube.

[CHIP TRONIC]

Ok friends.
the Neue Heimat is a club in Baden-Württemberg which is together with Bavaria famou(in a negative sense :-)) for its attitude towards people using drugs.
So it was only a question of time when they would intervene.
there is always a lot of pressure here.
they are out for a chase every friday and saturday, those hunters with the green uniforms.
yeah and if you don´t have any drugs everything is cool, for they combat drug consumers here.
thats the reason for their repressive measures(checking people in shuttle busses)
I for myself have never consumed anything else except from alcohol.
In my opinion everyone should be aware to estimate the consequence of an action.
so is it for drugs.
If i know that (UNDERGROUND)clubs are controlled heavily(perhaps only one method by competitors to force people to visit more mainstream locations /different clubs[paranoid I know]) i won´t take ANY drugs any longer.

well, but i am not you.
maybe you consider me to be ignorant, whatever.
TECHNO != Drugs
ELECTRO!= Drugs

und jetzt auf deutsch:
wenn ihr euch Drogen reinziehen wollt, tut es.
Aber bedenkt die Konsequenzen.
Ich würde es nicht tun.

[aleks]

why is techno=drugs for you chip? i don´t get your point...

[wheezer]

bavaria is the only place I've ever been asked for my personal id while switching subways because "I look like a drug user".

hadn't done anything that week, just looked a bit pale I guess...

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by aleks
we had or still have an organisation here in germany called eve&rave, , you could even test your E´s and so on, a so called drug-checking.but it is kinda criminalised here. i think the government doesn´t want a proper education all they want is paranoia.

we have a similar orginization here in the states called dance safe. they'll have a table set up at parties where you can give them your pill and test it to see if it is safe. it came under a lot of fire for what they were doing. people thought they were promoting drug use.
fun drug tip #32: in the usa alcohol and cigarettes kill more people every year than crack, coke, and heroin combined.

[invisibleplanet]

sure - it's everyone's right to put into their bodies & do with their minds what ever their choice is...but it's like this for me:

if u want to eat chicken - and u buy chicken - then if it's mixed with pork - (as in dutch preparation of catering chicken) yet SOLD as chicken - then i am swindled!!!

and then it's the same for drugs - if u buy mdma - and it's mixed with speed, talc, stearates (u can see from infos on net this is so - don't need to do it to find this out) then again the consumer is swindled!

it's for german people to campaign for acceptance.

uk had inherited it's drug laws from the usa, and only recently has some acceptance that 50% of UK 19-24 yr olds use cannabis/ecstasy on a weekly basis. so in uk it's not such a threat to do this there is more acceptance and less harrassment, but still all the long-running clubs have stringent drugs policies or the authorities will close them down.

geman drug law is more harsh than uk, as it has not accepted that this cannbis/ecstasy use is part of youth culture. campaign for recognition and acceptance, and perhaps u will see in germany, a social change. write to your mp's i heard about your geman green party candidate -what's his name - it begins with a j?

driving the youth underground wil result in more problems!!!!

find me the name of this green party mp please!

[CHIP TRONIC]

"!=" means is not
programmer´s language , sorry!
i wanted to say:
-Techno shouldn´t have anything to do with drugs

etc

[CHIP TRONIC]

JOSCHKA FISCHER (minister of foreign affairs)
party: Bundnis 90 die grünen

[invisibleplanet]

d'accord!
genau!
exactly!

u can get this high from being in love and having sex ( i remember *ggg*)

so here is the man i think for all those wanting some safety for the youth predicament:

http://joschka.uboot.com

green party - email to him: joshka@uboot.com and tell him your concerns for the youth and the effect that the harsh laws and police action will have - driving youth underground - when they need to remain overground in safety and acceptance. to say we cannot accept their choices fucks them up and over, as they are fucked over by the street dealers and their impure wares.

perhaps he will dare to carry the standard for the future.

[wired]

hmmm @chip...: "techno=drugs" ... no, i don't think so. ok, E is the main drug in the scene, like alcohol and cigarettes are in the rest of the world (like bars, pubs, farmer discos, alcoholics and drunken people without a home...) but not everybody takes E or amph's... since i go to clubs i never took anything illegal, like you. i'm scared about some people i've seen somewhere... taking drugs for fun in big masses...
today somebody critisized me for posting the text translated into english here (first text in this thread, but i don't posted it myself, i only sent it to a good friend) and i hope nobody got angry with me... but what should all this been when nobody talks about it. when nobody talks about the drug problem specially with too young drug users, nothing changes... i'm shure it don't moves too much... the nh club is the last really techno club in stuttgart or maybe south germany... the police has no other aim anywhere here, so they watch the last remaining club... they want to "kill" the techno scene here, so when nothing changes and some people do the same as ever, it's not good for us, only the police has fun...
i wouldn't drive 2 hours or more to the next club i know here...
@wheezer... cracy... they wanted your personal id only because you look like a drug user? stupid policemen, or?... ok, here i wait for the same... i have a sticker from the neue heimat on my car, on my recordbag, on a tshirt and on a jacket, and i wait for the day when the police stops me and says it's because they think i use drugs

[CHIP TRONIC]

INVISIBLEPLANET you are right: the main problem isn´t drugs.
The main problem is a decrease in Love and friendship.

may sound sentimental but that´s the actual reason

[CHIP TRONIC]

arrrrrrrrrgh! keiner versteht mich!
TECHNO != DRUGS means
"TECHNO is NOT drugs"

[Sheridan]

if techno was a drug I'd of OD a long time ago.

god I am such a corn ball.

[Weishaupt]

i was a grain of sand....again

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by wired
hmmm @chip...: "techno=drugs" ... no, i don't think so. ok, E is the main drug in the scene, like alcohol and cigarettes are in the rest of the world (like bars, pubs, farmer discos, alcoholics and drunken people without a home...) but not everybody takes E or amph's... since i go to clubs i never took anything illegal, like you. i'm scared about some people i've seen somewhere... taking drugs for fun in big masses...
today somebody critisized me for posting the text translated into english here (first text in this thread, but i don't posted it myself, i only sent it to a good friend) and i hope nobody got angry with me... but what should all this been when nobody talks about it. when nobody talks about the drug problem specially with too young drug users, nothing changes... i'm shure it don't moves too much... the nh club is the last really techno club in stuttgart or maybe south germany... the police has no other aim anywhere here, so they watch the last remaining club... they want to "kill" the techno scene here, so when nothing changes and some people do the same as ever, it's not good for us, only the police has fun...
i wouldn't drive 2 hours or more to the next club i know here...
@wheezer... cracy... they wanted your personal id only because you look like a drug user? stupid policemen, or?... ok, here i wait for the same... i have a sticker from the neue heimat on my car, on my recordbag, on a tshirt and on a jacket, and i wait for the day when the police stops me and says it's because they think i use drugs

we will come from england to visit u and camp in your gardens, and lend u our support to PROVE to the world that techno does NOT equal drugs...there are many of us here with this conviction.

we don't want to see the young-men-techno-wankers on dangerous drugs either! they won't get the girl, and they will miss the bus, they will not get the appointment, and in all probability use more drugs....we want for them to have confidence and acceptance for who they are without the fucking dangers.

get an education leaflet - say how concerned u are for their welfare - tell them their sperm will be affected... sow the seed of doubt in their mind that the underground music scene is a cover for the underworld - tell them they inadvertantly fund terrorism. tell them u know their thanatos (will to death) is expressed thru drug use- tell them u understand the futility - make a STRONG philosophy to accompany your nights at Neue Heimat - u WILL SURVIVE THIS!!

jeez - this makes me want to listen to Bad Times.....

&²jukka - combine with other grains of sand, and under enough pressure, u could become a rock.

[Weishaupt]

Rock me amadeus ............

[wired]

@invisibleplanet:

"we will come from england to visit u and camp in your gardens, and lend u our support to PROVE to the world that techno does NOT equal drugs...there are many of us here with this conviction"
"make a STRONG philosophy to accompany your nights at Neue Heimat - u WILL SURVIVE THIS!! "

what do you mean with it? i don't understand (maybe my english is too bad *g)

[invisibleplanet]

ich meine, wir werden ein Gruppe von uns aus uk nach stuttgart kommen, und shlafen in dein Garten dort (im Tent), wievielen von uns willst du? wir werden ihr unseren Unterstützung geben, und wir werden dir beweisen, daß Techno ist nicht über drogen, aber eigentlich über geist, leben, lieben, tanzen, und freundschaft und gemeinschaft.

vielleicht du kannst ein streng philosophie machen, welch sagen wie musik ist important, und gemeinschaft ist important, und vielleicht du konntest 'propoganda und Schlagwort machen welch konnt frei die drogen-techno volke von ihren schlecht philosophie, und macht diesen Schlagwort als Teil von der Promotion von Neue Heimat.

verstehst du besser jetzt?

mein deutsch ist nicht so gut.

[Sheridan]

your german is ok. how do I know? because I translated your text in sherlock on my mac. so I know when you guys are making fun of others in german.:)
really though I would love to actually learn german, and or japanese.

[wired]

@invisibleplanet: hehe sounds quite funny your german :-) why would you and many others come to my garden (i don't have one...) i don't have drug-problems, and i don't have a club... and i'm no official person... but nice idea to make a party here... :)
now, it's weekend... let us see which nice actions are coming from the "green men" this weekend...

[pille'ocheoni]

im with Django on this one who cares .....unless!it effects me and my soroundings.

[Magnumforce]

I have never,ever taken drugs at Neue Heimat or anywhere else...
Stop spoiling it for everybody you junkies...!!!

[jukka]

HEY watcha doin' ?
are you selling drugs here, maaan ?

[Irrungenwirrungen]

Das Problem ist nicht die NH-Besucher, sondern die Polizei, und die Politik der starken Hand, die heute von der deutschen Regierung getrieben wird. Ich bin kein Anarchist und weiss genau, dass in allen Laendern die Polizei einen Zweck hat, aber mir kommt vor, als ob die Polizei die Politik verwende um eigene Ziele zu erfuellen (Das sieht bei den Wahlberechtigten so gut aus, wenn die Bullen irgendwelche, kleine, unwichtige Drogenbenutzer festnehmen koennen) und unschuldige Leute zu beschaedigen. Die Massnahmen, die man im NH gegen Drogenbenutzer einfuehren moechte, koennen nur kurzfristigen Erfolg haben aber ich kann gut verstehen, warum man sich auf solche starke Massnahmen verlassen und bestehen muss. Als Englaender kriege ich relativ wenig Gelegenheit Deutschland zu besuchen, aber ich habe nur unuebertreffliche Berichte ueber NH gehoert.
DAS NH MUSS UEBERLEBEN.

[Weishaupt]

exactly!

[wocek]

well, i posted this treat just because i do care about neue heimat! and before posting anything else i thought about all the reasons and consequences they'll have after starting that kind of politic... and now i'm convinced that they're doing the right thing, the right step in the name of the club!
can't say that i'm a regular visitor of neue heimat. i've been there only twice - last year.. but if you ever been there you know what is all about.. you just fall in love with it. that's one of the places where you find almost everything you want for your exquisite musical taste... so, that's what happened to me and that's what will happen with neue heimat and i think if that's the only way the club to exist, to stay alive - let it be that way!
with no drugs, with no stimulants i think it'll stay the same, even better! and next year when i go there i'll find it again, on the same place with the same people, clear from everything people...
i read every post in this topic and i think that there's a good material for an article.. i'm working in a magazine here, called AZ (from A to Z) and writing articles about everything and nothing... and i want your permission to do that, because i want to use some of your original posts here! what will you say?

cheers!

[wired]

you got my permission for my threads (with my name here :-)
i was at nh last weekend like every weekend... the door control was hard, it took nearly 4 times than normal. but as i started going to the nh, it was like now, too... but i was angry about some doorkeepers opinion of keeping the club clear... they took out a girl who was not on drugs, she only closed her eyes for a few seconds... one of the new doorkeepers was a little bit too good i think, he was like a policeman when he searched for "druffies"... including checking eyes with a lightener... bad thing all that. i support the opinion that the club has to become cleaner so that the neue heimat could stay alive, but it's the wrong way when you gonna put out of the club by the guards when you look like you're on drugs... i don't wanted to dance the whole night, even when some people from the door walked around... there were enough civilian policemen inside, too. but a blind man could see them :-)))
i was a little bit tired when i came inside after a short break at my car, when the guy at the door said to me "your pupils are too big..." i never took any drugs in my live, and i'm at the nh since nearly 4 years now, nearly every weekend... and they won't let me in again at first... what should i say... good sound, good djs, good people, but too strange controls for !normal! peoples (but its ok when they don't let people on drugs inside...)

cheers,

wired

[invisibleplanet]

It's fine also with me, wocek to use threads, with my name here....whatever it takes to support the changes...

There is an old saying: "change is stability" , which comes to mind. Hopefully the club-goer will embrace this change, and allow it to affect their lives to the benefit, not detriment.

[actionjetzon]

I really hope that the Neue Heimat will stay alive!
Its the best club i´ve ever been, with great music and fantastic people, and i think its better to try it on this way, as if to shot it down.
I wish that the people will accept it this way, let their hand off of all that drugs, and giving Techno the attention it really earns!

[DsD]

I was at neue heimat the last three weekends and i think that there are not so much people who take a lot of drugs like a few weeks ago. lets wait a few weeks... most people understand that the neue heimat have to do what they do. don`t stop visiting the neue heimat. don`t let the police win this game.


(sorry for my bad english ;) )

[wired]

i wasn't there last we and i'm not there next we because of the "fremdveranstaltung"... but i'm there again like the weeks, months and years ago, and i hope to be there the next years...!

[DsD]

@wired: pacou live is not bad ;)
but... i don`t know if i`ll be there ;)