Meat is Murder and the quest...

[a.rodin]

...to be a vegetarian. For those who remember becoming a vegetarian, was it difficult? I'm seriously contemplating in changing my life for the better. I spent some time with my Parisian buddy who suggested it. He seems healthy and wise- still gets the girls and produces cool music.
Thing is, I love eating steak, chicken wings + beer, breakfast sausages, meatballs with spaghetti, tacos, fajitas, lambchops, coq au vin, bbq of any kind, etc...you get the idea. Or perhaps I should just cut out red meat for now. Any advice would be great. For example, do I just eat till I'm full and not worry that I've fulfilled my caloric intake? Do I need to know what everything is in calories now?
Am I to become a big fan of pasta, rice and beans? Will I become a farting factory?
And anything else to make me a better citizen of the world.

n.b. Charity topic coming soon!

[Daddys Girl]

Not that this helps, but my best friend was a vegetarian for about 6 years, but gave in to the master that is meat...

She seemd alright when she was a veggie - found pleanty of decent tasting food to suppliment meat, but I guess that it just wasn't the real thing...

Anyway - good luck if you do manage it - I don't believe that I could do it - not that I'm a complete carnivore, but I do love my meat a bit too much to give it up....

D_G ;o)

[pille'ocheoni]

ive been a vegitarian since birth so changing is something i dont know.now i have made the switch to vegan many times back and forth but never living animals.yuck.now my father has made the change and tells me its like going from feeling like 100 dollars to feeling like a 10000000 dollars.its a much cleaner experence.less digestion,less baggage,no more stinky farts.lol

[aleks]

If animals aren't supposed to be eaten, then why are they made out of meat?;)

[Sheridan]

that is the quote of the week there aleks!! superb!

[pille'ocheoni]

using the same logic here's one for ya. If humans aren't supposed to be eaten, then why are they made out of meat?

[gunjack]

http://www.gamerz232.org/images/burger.jpg


don't get me wrong, i am with aleks on this one.

[zongkong]

I stopped eating meat june 2001. Before then I had always had the thoughts of stopping since it felt like such a hypocrisy; people in the grocery stores don't see the animals. They don't see the animal, whose body parts lie on display. And they definetely don't see the individual those body parts once were a part of.
It sounds quite melodramatic; I'm well aware of that.
However, all of you have pets know that animals are not just mindless things that just happen to move around. They have personalities - they are individuals, and I assure you that that goes for farm animals as well.
Who am I to decide whether or not another individual is to live or die - just so I can enjoy the good taste of meat?

A friend of mine put it this way:
"I don't like animals, so I don't eat'em." :)

[piscaries]

well, i'm not a full fledged vegetarian yet, but i have cut a lot of meat out of my diet. i've stopped with the red meat all together and i just kind of depend on chicken. but i've always kind of been like that. most of the people around me are vegetarian and that makes things feel a little more natural. i have definately felt a lot better lately since i've had a more vegetarian based diet. you just gotta make sure you still get your protien. i don't know why most carnivores i know are so freaked out by tofu, but it's no major deal. i've atually even become a better cook because of the vegetarian thing. i don't think i could be a vegan though. that's a whole lifestyle change that i don't think i'll be able to achieve (nor do i think it is 100% achieveable in a modern society.. but that's a whole other thread). but as for the change it never really seemed like anything drastic. just stay away from bacon... that seems to be the thing all my vegie friends miss.

[zongkong]

gunjack - excellent pic :)

[praecox]

I can simply not give up the wonderfull taste that meat brings to my tung. I don't eat meat alot though cause when you eat meat and then you go to the toilet it ... well er ... stinks. I eat meat every one or two weeks ... I could not do without ...
not eating red meat is dumd I guess cause there's as much dioxine in chickens as there is in motor oil (thats what they use for feeding chickens) and chickens produce white meat ...
I never understood vegans though. alot of friends of mine are vegetarian but none are vegan. I mean the cows doesn't die by giving milk does it ?

[pille'ocheoni]

ok......i want to make one thing clear that im not one of those activist that hate every meat eater on the freaking planet,i hate no-one!
ok the thing with dairy is that cows produce milk for what?......................... .....baby caves thats it.ive never seen a sign around there necks that say milk me,i like it!it feels good!take it i dont need it!
humans skin is based on a acid skale.meaning that we secreat acid based byproducts through our skin and through sweat and such.the inside of our bodies is based on a alkaline inside.meaning that we digest and absorb most of or protiens,complex carbohydrates,and so-on and soforth that are based on alkaline.thats why when you eat nothing but citrus our heavy based acid products you might get sick,or your body just rejects it.now here's the kicker.cows body's are the complete opposite,they have alkaline outside and acid inside's,thats why they have four stomach's and can make complete proteins from grass,just grass.the thing most people arnt aware of is that when you eat any dairy products,your body does not absorb anything from it what so ever.thers a big miscomseption that you get you calcium and vitiamn d and what not, but the facts are that your body rejects it before it can even think of getting any of that vitaimn shit.thats why you shit all dairy out.you shit every thing out.now if you just drank milk and that was it,you would never piss,you would always shit it out.excuse my language but its the truth.esspecially for women.dairy is the last thing they need along with wheat.kids too,never feed your child dairy.never.the reason people get lactose intolerant is because there parents feed them too much dairy as a child and started getting sick.damn im a preacher.sorry.now it will not kill you but to answer your question on why people are vegan thats why,because the dont want that shit in there bodies and the other thing is that they dont want to participate in stealing something that is for something else.baby caves.cows dont naturally produce milk for eternity they are forced to,plus given chemicals and shit.its just not clean.now if your going to eat or drink dairy drink goat products,because they have the same makeup as us and it less harmfull.

[piscaries]

wow pille', i wasn't aware of all that. makes me feel uneducated. i'll have start looking more into that. thanks for the info. i'm assuming you're vegan?

[namshub]

yeh pille', humans, like fruit should be skinned before eating.

[phdbob]

there are many healthreasons not to eat meat...but i´d like to add one more aspect:
you simply harm yourself and logically others when you kill. you have to generate tremendous amounts of aggression, hatred, ignorance...etc. before you are able to kill. you should not kill any other being! and not encourage others to kill!

being human you have the chance to decide what to do and what not...so please do not tell me that apes, lions or else do eat meat and it´s natural...or i´ll come to your house and shit on your floor, rape your mum and kill your dad and eat him:)


amen!

[pille'ocheoni]

yeah,there's so much more imfo,i could tell,but id be typing for years.if anyones interested just ask.

[praecox]

what is the difference between plants and animals? why can you kill bacteria by antibitica? Is a tumor bad? Shite all these issues are totaly nonsense ...
Nature has no idea of good or bad, shite half of humanity's religions have no concept for right and wrong ... Its so Jewish/Christian/Islamic to think that cellular organisms are controlled by 'a suppa being' that decides what is good or bad ...

So let us be human and use the insight we have on this point to decide whether or not we eat this or that, clone this or that, grow crops and raise cattle ...
Our moral (still highly influenced by the ten commandments) is experiencing a schizm ... wich is good. change is inevitable. Should we cling o values that are old fashion just because people like the pope say so?

also, on microscopical scale. plants are more highly developped. eg. plantcells have double cell membranes, are stronger and do more for the whole than any 'meat cell'. so one might argue that is wrong to kill them by cooking because they are a better 'creation'. this leads nowhere ...

I eat meat. next issue . . .

[phdbob]

@ praecox

it´s not morality or concept...try yourself: kill a cow and pick an apple...even you should be capable of realizing a qualitative difference...? eat meat if u enjoy it but take the weight of critics that say you are ignorant concerning the well being of other creatures and yourself...

and as you stated it´s not about about better creation...that would be absurd!


buon apetite!

[piscaries]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
yeah,there's so much more imfo,i could tell,but id be typing for years.if anyones interested just ask. do you have any web links or books to recommend? i'd like to learn more about all this if i could. i don't even know where to begin looking.

[phdbob]

ah...forgot...


never do something because someone (pope, tradition, mum...) tells you to do it, or believe what you are told...the truth lies within...examine carefully and if it´s right for you do it...the only thing that counts is any intentional action...

[pille'ocheoni]

praecox_if you dont care and justify everything for your own peace of mind.who cares.i choose to make a choice that gives me better peace of mind good or bad,i dont care.im not on this earth to judge.because we could find things to argue about for eternity.i deffinetly dont look down on anyone for their choices,this is a desicion that will go down in the history books.seperation is what we need to be worried about.human seperation,not fucking eating prefrences.

piscaries_yeah man,id love to.there the main resource of all resources which is peta.http://www.peta-online.org/ from there you will find everything you'll ever need.there are some cool books put out by the pheonix family.river pheonix's family that is.his whole family has been vegan there whole lives even before birth,he has 5-6 brother's and sisters,that act too.cool stuff.at the peta site you'll find search engines just for your query's.[pece]

[bitch one]

pill wotever, your anti-cheese rant contains numerous dubious inaccuracies, not least the gaffe about lactose intolerance, which is genetic.

[arar]

Ive been Vegan for 17 years, Im am not by any means an evangelist, but Im am constantly amazed that some people feel threathened by vegetarians, or vegans and I think that this is because our very existance makes them consider their own beliefs, and of course examining your own beliefs or practices can be a very daunting thing....famous vegans include Carl Lewis, Benjamin Zephania, Lindsay Wagner...and before anyone starts ranting on about Hitler being a vegetarian a)He wasnt...he would only eat meat certain days of the week because he believed a load of necromantic bollocks about extending your life, and Ive meet plenty of vegans and vegitarians I dont like and wouldnt let into the house..

I stopped eating battery eggs long before I became vegan, and my reasons for becoming vegan are as much about human welfare as about animal welware EG I think that more humans are willing to abuse other life forms, the more willing they are to fuck each other over as well, and Im talking in general not about each indivdual before anyone starts up on that. There are a whole raft of other reasons, including political ones why Im vegan (think of Nestle pushing formula milk in Africa)....some off my best friends are meat eaters and Im not into trying to convert them or anybody as I think its their choice and the level of discourse around this subject is so low as to be generally not worth engaging in, if other people ask me about being vegan I will not talk to them if asked to justify myself...I only mention all this as vegetarians and vegans are stereotyped in a ridiculous fashion, Eg Im not a pacificist, I practice a martial art and I do believe that sometimes it is necessary to go to war, Im a shit hot cook and notorious party animal and I like driving my car fast....

Thats my tupenceworthchums

[Sheridan]

correct me if I am wrong, but aren't vegtables living things as well??

[tsr_tomas]

i´ve been a vegetarian for almost 2years... only thing from the animalkingdom that i eat is milk and cheese.

peace out and understanding yo !

[pille'ocheoni]

bitch one_i have no idea where you get your facts,and honestly think you enjoy putting other people down to bring yourself up.honestly,please tell me your logic involved with downing other people.i would like to know.and your suedo language is way to cool for me,and i probally dont qualify for your short bus club anyway.thanks for your delightful input.pille'
get a dictionary while your at it.

[deccard]

it´s always sad to see the food discussion end up that way cause people aren´t really informed about their food and what is healthy.
the industry has a big interest in that cause they wanna sell.
there are numereous sources about that milk isn´t that healthy in the amount normal people consume it. but there is a big industry which wants to make money. same goes for soy milk. soymilk has that image "good for ya but is expensive" which isn´t alright either.
every specialist and normal doctor will tell ya that eating meat every day is unhealthy. 2 times a week is enough.
we´ve seen a lot of examples where the foodindustry prooved that they not interested in the health of the consumer but for their pockets. so everyone should consider that. no conspiracy bullshit. just the everyday experience. (the most effiecient way for a consumer to protest is not to buy the products)
i´m vegetarian and i´m no health activist. i eat eggs once a week (try not to get batteryeggs) and some fish rarely and i just try to get what my body likes and needs. people are different and need a different diet for sure.
and this spiritual issue about not eating meat is plain bullshit by people who aren´t really spiritual or have the slitest sence of what is meant by that in our reality (religions? pfft!).

[tsr_tomas]

should i be able to call my self a vegetarian or vegan if i base my whole food chain on only sniffing glue ?

it´s just a question ?

[deccard]

hm tough question.
more interesting is for vegans and vegetarians the question "spit or swallow?".

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by deccard
hm tough question.
more interesting is for vegans and vegetarians the question "spit or swallow?".



eeewwwww, thats gross!

[deccard]

eeeeewwwww? yucki sucki?

ok ok i stop....:)

[aleks]

are vegetarians allowed to eat pussy then?

[zongkong]

hihi

[tsr_tomas]

hihi, aleks. stop you sillyman. hihi.

[namshub]

wot pisses me off is just really normal everyday products, like fukkin hot chips, iceceam, soap, cheese etcetc ... most of them contain meat products, so its very hard to be a conciencouse vego.

[Sheridan]

how is meat put into icecream??

[pille'ocheoni]

i dont know about icecream......but i wouldnt doubt it.regular sugar does though.most refined sugars contains animal products.

[Tomoki]

There was a big discussion here in Germany when BSE came out. I don’t know the word in English; I mean this disease caused by cows. The people had fear to eat jelly bears, because they contain gelatine and gelatine is out of cows’ bones.

Before that nobody knew that gelatine is from cows.

[tsr_tomas]

isn´t bse called crazycow... thats what we call it in sweden i think "galnakosjukan"

[Dave Sofa]

Why am I a Vegetarian ?

Because cows Scream Louder than Vegetables

(alan watts)

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I think we can distinguish 'living things' between those which are beings/have mental awareness of their existence, and those which don't.
As a result one is prone to suffering and the other is not.

I am a veggie, I decided to stop eating meat for a number of reasons.
I do not believe in the taking of another beings life for my own dietry benefit.
I would have never (even as a meat eater) be prepared to actually kill an animal myself so why should I let others do it for me.
I never trusted myself cooking meat, it always tasted weird and I felt safer using Tofu or Quorn.

[deccard]

Originally posted by Tomoki
There was a big discussion here in Germany when BSE came out. I don’t know the word in English; I mean this disease caused by cows. The people had fear to eat jelly bears, because they contain gelatine and gelatine is out of cows’ bones.

Before that nobody knew that gelatine is from cows.

the veggies knew :!

[Daddys Girl]

Sorry - I had to chuckle at the Crazycow comment....

D_G ;o)

[Sheridan]

see I have to believe that plants have a level of awareness. the old adage of talking to your plants to help them grow is true. if you give a plant attention and actually treat it like an 'animal' them things will last for a long time.
this type of discussion can get sticky though. it seems to go around and around.

[piscaries]

i think the world needs to follow the jetson's example. (i'm not sure if the jetson's made it out of the u.s., so if you have no clue what i'm talking about, the jetsons were an old cartoon that was based in the future where they basically lived in a skyworld that was elevated above the earth and they had robot maids and space cars) they had these food pills. all they did was chose what kind of meal they wanted and the computer gave them the meal in a pill. that would solve the some of the worlds hunger, environmental, and ethical problems, no?

[Sheridan]

the jetsons was the flintstones in space. remember that episode where the two families switched shows? the jetsons meet the flintstones.
elroy was a little bitch though.

[deccard]

Originally posted by piscaries
i think the world needs to follow the jetson's example. (i'm not sure if the jetson's made it out of the u.s., so if you have no clue what i'm talking about, the jetsons were an old cartoon that was based in the future where they basically lived in a skyworld that was elevated above the earth and they had robot maids and space cars) they had these food pills. all they did was chose what kind of meal they wanted and the computer gave them the meal in a pill. that would solve the some of the worlds hunger, environmental, and ethical problems, no?

the jetsons made it out of the us...
the problem is not the pill but the ingredients. soilent green?
we already have a lot of 100% unnatural food and we have to watch out that this shit doesn´t support cancer.
more and more artificial shit isn´t the answer or in the end we have genetic enhanced 2 meter cucumbers and still no clue if our body isn´t influenced by the "enhancements" (ooops my nose is growing...)
a friend just yesterday told me the story of valley plastico or so.
a big area in the south of spain were they grow all the nice vegetables for us europeans. the vegetables never touch some earth. all grow on plastic. the have to put bees in cause they die after a while in that artificial environment.
plastic food for plastic people? eat your glowstick....

[filthydave]

Originally posted by Dave Sofa
Why am I a Vegetarian ?

Because cows Scream Louder than Vegetables

(alan watts)

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I would have never (even as a meat eater) be prepared to actually kill an animal myself so why should I let others do it for me.

same reason i gave up!
what cracks me up are people who claim to be veggie yet still eat fish or chicken - duh?
to quote a friends philosophy "with the exception of potatoes i don't eat anything that's had eyes in it!"

[Dave Sofa]

he he, or "don't eat anything with a face", except clocks and cliffs

[deccard]

@filthydave: if someone eats every 3 days his fish/chicken i wouldn´t say he´s a veggie too....but i still consider myself a veggie and i eat fish once every 10 weeks.
from your point of view no one can be a veggie if he/she eats cheese.
i have a problem with the disinformation about food by the foodindustry and that people are kept dumb to buy this shit and even worse that they are betrayed with a false image/propaganda.
we always have to wait till another big scandal comes up that some truth is revealed. people should eat whats good for their body. if its meat...ok...but do the animals really have to be treated worse like shit.
totally generally said: it´s ok that we live on this planet and have to survive but how is the big question and we have a choice.

[filthydave]

i think it needs to be said that the afore mentioned friend has rescinded and is now to be seen happily troughing the evil flesh
somat to do with bacon butties and pepperoni pizzas
TRAITOR!!!

[filthydave]

Originally posted by deccard
@filthydave: if someone eats every 3 days his fish/chicken i wouldn´t say he´s a veggie too....but i still consider myself a veggie and i eat fish once every 10 weeks.
from your point of view no one can be a veggie if he/she eats cheese.

can't give up the cheese myself (i'll never be a vegan)
its a technicality nothing 'died' to give me the milk or cheese (b4 you say it the calves do for the veal trade - i know that)
i don't really have a problem with people eating meat at all its just that my conscience wouldn't allow me to ask someone to kill an animal for me to eat when i couldn't do it myself
i just feel that if you have to ask someone to do something for you, you should at least be willing to do it yourself first
i keep getting cravings for fish figure i'm lacking in some nutrients somewhere and my body's tellin me that
i just can't bring myself to eat any

[grobelaar]

Hmmm, hope I’m not the traitor you speak off, because despite a relapse induced by London having 8 fried chicken shops on every street, I’m firmly on the mend, stopped eating meat, will slowly stop eating fish, which was how I got onto being vegetarian in the first place. However, throughout this I have firmly kept my intake of dairy products to a minimum…

Particularly as in my opinion diary products are more damaging to human health than eating meat so, Mr Filthy ‘Fundamentalist’ Dave, how can you explain the fact that every time I come up to Nottingham I’m practically forced to eat cheese. Its not like its forced down my throat or anything – no it’s the worse than that - psychological coercion. Pizzas are ordered, Lasagnes are cooked and what choice do I have…? Ya don’t see me cooking up a big beef casserole and telling you to just pick the bits you don’t like out, saying I won’t tell if I see you slip a few chunks of steak down, now do you?

grrrr…. :-) :-) :-)

[filthydave]

@grobelaar you weren't the one i was thinking of and less of the fundamentalist bit as well i can quite distinctly remember sayin you were a vegan yet there you devouring crispy duck pancakes from the chinese like there was no tomorrow
and i never once heard you say you wouldn't eat my cookin because of the cheese on it
you should have said i'm usually pretty good with peoples diets!

[pille'ocheoni]

fake veggie................your still a meat eater.....

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by filthydave
@grobelaar you weren't the one i was thinking of and less of the fundamentalist bit as well i can quite distinctly remember sayin you were a vegan yet there you devouring crispy duck pancakes from the chinese like there was no tomorrow
and i never once heard you say you wouldn't eat my cookin because of the cheese on it
you should have said i'm usually pretty good with peoples diets!

I think you’ll find that I was saying “when I WAS a vegan”, the crispy duck pancakes was merely the point where I decided it best that I own up to my mates that I’d been eating Fried Chicken in London for about a month – and was once again an omnivore…

As to the food thing, that’s my point people are prepared to accommodate Vegetarianism, but not Veganism is another matter.

I’m unfair to single you out, I do remember you deliberately cooking dairy free chillis so accept my apologies. But so often while I was vegan someone will have cooked something that has cheese or milk in it, and their reaction at you not wanting to eat the food they have spent time preparing is one of utter shock and offence. Its similar to the reaction most Americans seem to have to vegetarians.

I think further illustration of this point comes from the fact that I’ve written this message in MS Word (so as to look busy at work) and the while the word vegetarian is in the dictionary, the word vegan and veganism is not.

On to other food matters – who thinks that Chilli is the bestest food on the planet?

[deccard]

@filthydave: what do you mean with "veal trade"...don´t have my dictionary at hand...

i meant that if you eat cheese you eat parts of a dead animal.
the production of cheese implements the use of "..."(german word lab)...which is a substance from dead cowstomachs...
not every cheese is made with that but most. and i don´t really wanna know what those cheap cheese products contain (10%milk and the rest??)...

[zongkong]

it should be noted that not all cheeses are made with dead cows and calves..

[deccard]

but mostly no cheesepackaging tells you the complete list of the ingredients...
and who knows whats on your veggie pizza..

[Sheridan]

anyone here on a macrobiotic diet??

[pille'ocheoni]

i was on the macro kick for one solid year,last year it was.wow its was the most intense diet ive ever been on.you feel great and devolp a great appreciation for the acient japaneese way of life.if you go on it,dont bullshit,stay loyal and follow it carefully.damn now i want some tempe and some non-salted miso,aged barley.mmmmmmmmmmm good.note:watch out for your dark veggies they'll fuck you up down the road.

[Dave Sofa]

nowadays cheese is labelled when suitable for vegetarians.

[deccard]

@dave: you´re right but i think they are not forced to and don´t do that much here in germany so far i know.


what you mean with dark veggies pille? :! :)

[grobelaar]

On a similar note I was discussing with work colleagues the other day as to whether it would be possible to make ‘sustainable’ Black Pudding. In order to understand this you have to know what Black Pudding is; its an English Sausage made from Pig’s Fat and Blood…

Now you see both of these things are easily extractable from a pig without actually killing it… so would vegetarians be allowed to eat it ethically… After all they eat cheese and milk :-)

[Dave Sofa]

urrrrgh, in theory yes, if black pudding wasn't such a minging prospect then I would be happy to eat it. Personally, I don't believe that taking the life of any living being is an ethical thing to do.

[pille'ocheoni]

now i dont even know what meat tastes like .so that sounds like shite!how could anyone ever eat that shit?is it good?would you like some mints with that sir?

[namshub]

ekky thump!

[Sheridan]

actually black pudding is really good. it is kind of like spicy smoked oatmeal I guess. I don't know how to really explain it. there are two things I plan on doing as soon as I get to scotland in several weeks. 1. go to the pub and get a proper pint of guiness. 2. get a traditional uk breakfast with some black pudding. not very good for all you veggies out there but for an omnivore like me, it is so tasty and a good way to start the day.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Dave Sofa
urrrrgh, in theory yes, if black pudding wasn't such a minging prospect then I would be happy to eat it. Personally, I don't believe that taking the life of any living being is an ethical thing to do.

my friend's hunting dogs once killed a deer, i didn't realise what was happening until a grey blur, followed by two light-brown blurs raced past me, and then my adrenalin started to pump, and i felt excited as a primitive instinct began to rise within me. When i caught up with the dogs, they had already started to eat the rump, and i pulled them off, willing them not to be angry with me, hauled the deer into the hedgerow and covered it with leaves. Waiting until the cover of sundown, i grabbed my housemate, and with a wheelbarrow brought the deer home. then, i foned a butcher who had given me his business card whilst i hitched ride through dorset, and he talked me through the whole process of hanging, gutting and skinning. i made a not too bad job of it, although my knife did catch the stomach of the deer, and a little fresh half-digested grass and oozed out. I then washed the inside of the deer's carcass, and gave the dogs the entrails as a reward for their patience. The next day, the Brigadier,who lived about a mile down the road, told me he had seen us being shifty at dusk, and cheekily demanded that we invite him and his wife to dinner, which of course, we couldn't refuse. it's illegal to hunt like this in england, even if it is accidental.

Until then, I had been a vegetarian between age 15 and age 23. I now like and think it ok to eat game, and organically produced meat. i know what's involved in it's preparation, (I lived and worked on a rare breeds farm for a year when i was 22 as a sabbatical).

i feel as though i can justify my actions. i didn't want to kill the deer. i found i didn't want to waste that animals life, after the dogs had taken it. After then, I never walked my friend's dogs off the leash again. it was a very strange experience for me

[pille'ocheoni]

ian,that is disgusting:(your not serious are you?take some pictures for me while your eating that shite.that ill be a funny vegan christmas dinner photo to share.black pudding........thats halarious.do they have brown pudding,i can only guess whats in that..........oh yeah what the hell is hagus.i think its spelled differntly,whats is that?

[invisibleplanet]

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis

[pille'ocheoni]

ok planet so you get down on this every morning right?with ketcup,and a dash of salt.maybe some mayonase.or how about a bucket of butter.just playin.thanks for the research.i got to give to ya your always on the tip of finding imfomation,for everyone.i seriouslly think you should start your own search engine.you have a talent for this kind of stuff.if i need any info ill make sure to hand it off to you.thanks agian,but tht shit is nasty.[p]

[Sheridan]

yes I was being serious. haggis is ok but not as good as black pudding.
I will take some pictures for sure.

[deccard]

@pille: dear pille´o as far as i read all your posts i thought you were some openminded person but your comments about meateaters don´t show that. cause you´re veggie since birth sounds like you´re conservative like those carnivores since birth that freak out about tofu, seitan etc....or is it just a misunderstanding?

[filthydave]

Originally posted by deccard
@filthydave: what do you mean with "veal trade"...don´t have my dictionary at hand...

i meant that if you eat cheese you eat parts of a dead animal.
the production of cheese implements the use of "..."(german word lab)...which is a substance from dead cowstomachs...
not every cheese is made with that but most. and i don´t really wanna know what those cheap cheese products contain (10%milk and the rest??)...
the veal trade is where the calves of dairy cows are kept in confined conditions with virtually no exercise in order to produce a really tender meat
dairy cows have to give birth once a year to maintain milk production
and we drink the milk not the calves
i eat veggie cheese made without rennet the stuff from stomachs
but who knows what its replaced with?
the milk thing and leather footwear are my concessions to the meat industry
i'm addicted to eating cheese and my feet smell like cheese in anything else!

[invisibleplanet]

does anyone here like tempeh?

fermented soya beans, marinaded in soysauce - and i think one compresses the beans, slice the block, and then marinade in soy before frying. Deliciously salty and a good substitute for vegetarian converts who think they miss bacon *g*

[filthydave]

tempeh is wicked stuff
to expensive though round here
thinkin about it i haven't had any of that for ages might have to go and find some this week
cheers 'planet

[t[i]ara]

yum tempeh
i'm been pretty much vege for about 10 years...
one thing that really freaks me out is the amount of chemicals that are fed to animals, chickens especially. another reason for vege thoughts is the amount of rainforest cleared to farm cows and other animals on.
if i was gonna eat meat I'd want it organic and I'd probably rather be less removed from it than a package on a shelf..
my brother eats roadkill!!!!!!!!!! (really)

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
ian,that is disgusting:(your not serious are you?take some pictures for me while your eating that shite.that ill be a funny vegan christmas dinner photo to share.black pudding........thats halarious.do they have brown pudding,i can only guess whats in that..........oh yeah what the hell is hagus.i think its spelled differntly,whats is that?

Joking? About what Black Pudding is, no its real and it's actually really tasty - although I recommend getting the homemade stuff of a farm butcher. Like most factory made sausages, the mass produced Black Pudding tends to have a very bland and smooth texture, whereas homemade has lots of flavoursome and chewy bits to really get your teeth into...

I was joking about creating it without actually killing pigs - but what with the current state of the food industry - who could tell - there probably is a vast pens of pigs have the fat and blood sucked out of them on a daily basis to make Black Pudding :-)

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by filthydave
tempeh is wicked stuff
to expensive though round here
thinkin about it i haven't had any of that for ages might have to go and find some this week
cheers 'planet

u could buy tempeh culture .....
and make ur own (i don't do this - i'm too lazy and i buy it)

supplier of culture and recipe (http://www.micropix.demon.co.uk/tempeh)

lol grob - perhaps u could have such an evil enterprise in one of your games - the skinny anaemic pigs break free, and carve up the farmer? *ggg

[filthydave]

i think i'm too lazy for growin my own
i'll have to buy some
did have a ginger beer plant once which was pretty cool til i forgot about it and it turned nasty in the airing cupboard
pretty sure you could have powered a car off it by the end!

[deccard]

we made once our own soy milk. tasted really cool and soy beans are fuckin cheap. but it takes a bit of work and time. buying at the supermarket is much easier but way too expensive compared to what it takes to make it.
cause we were 4 people in a lil house (3 vegetarians and 1 vegan) we cooked mostly vegan. 4 people sharing the work and the costs for food made it much easier to live that way.
as i live now alone its sometimes really annoying if you want to have a variety in food every day cause the stuff you buy at the supermarket is often too much for one person.

[Dave Sofa]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet


my friend's hunting dogs once killed a deer, i didn't realise what was happening until a grey blur, followed by two light-brown blurs raced past me, and then my adrenalin started to pump, and i felt excited as a primitive instinct began to rise within me. When i caught up with the dogs, they had already started to eat the rump, and i pulled them off, willing them not to be angry with me, hauled the deer into the hedgerow and covered it with leaves. Waiting until the cover of sundown, i grabbed my housemate, and with a wheelbarrow brought the deer home. then, i foned a butcher who had given me his business card whilst i hitched ride through dorset, and he talked me through the whole process of hanging, gutting and skinning. i made a not too bad job of it, although my knife did catch the stomach of the deer, and a little fresh half-digested grass and oozed out. I then washed the inside of the deer's carcass, and gave the dogs the entrails as a reward for their patience. The next day, the Brigadier,who lived about a mile down the road, told me he had seen us being shifty at dusk, and cheekily demanded that we invite him and his wife to dinner, which of course, we couldn't refuse. it's illegal to hunt like this in england, even if it is accidental.

Until then, I had been a vegetarian between age 15 and age 23. I now like and think it ok to eat game, and organically produced meat. i know what's involved in it's preparation, (I lived and worked on a rare breeds farm for a year when i was 22 as a sabbatical).

i feel as though i can justify my actions. i didn't want to kill the deer. i found i didn't want to waste that animals life, after the dogs had taken it. After then, I never walked my friend's dogs off the leash again. it was a very strange experience for me

K'inell, don't know if I could handle that.. however, ethically I feel that it is okay to eat meat in such an instance. Since it was not killed with the intent of providing food for ones stomach. and the same would go for roadkill or animals that have died (old meat anyone?).
I would rather not though since my pallette has become nicely used to pleasures if the non-flesh variety...

[Mui]

I've always lived by my nanna's old saying:

Feed the man meat.

There was some big thesis thingy people were doing a few years ago that vegetarians cause more destruction of forests and stuff...don't know the results though....they must have been wrong