Girls + techno.

[a.rodin]

I was wondering how many girls frequent this here message board. My guess is that it is like a male fraternity. Not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing but...coming to this board, it's like when you wanna go out for a pint with the guys. You don't expect women to be here really talkin' about techno or producing and stuff. This is just merely an observation, that's all. Emma darling, you of course are an exception of the highest order that is rare to find in this here part of the woods. And we are more enlightened and better for it.
But wouldn't it be fantastic if there was a 3 to 1 ratio? And they could all give us a vivacity that we all need? I mean how many of you take your girls or dates to a techno jam?

Ciao bella!

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by a.rodin
how many of you take your girls or dates to a techno jam?


does my hand count??

[pille'ocheoni]

one of my first dates was at a show in atlanta,i was 15,and we went to go see a show with dj doughnut,megahertz,and the whole skylab crew.it was great.......thank god we left before the cops showed up.but yes most of the women i have been dating have been punk chicks or hippie chicks,or just really intelegent women,with a huge jazz foundation.if they like what i like its a plus but if not,than fine,theres much more to my own standards than music.

[karitek]

well, i am a female and know loads of girls who dj or produce techno in london.

[Weishaupt]

hm.....i think its normal...........

[actionjetzon]

I think it isn´t...i don´t know any female producer in my area

[wired]

hmm i don't have a problem with girls here...
for the question of you, if somebody takes his girl to party/dj/liveset... i am not, but the reason is that she didn't like techno so much, she has another taste of music and thats ok so. i'm a little bit happy about it because i could go to a party and have fun (not with another girl, but i could do anything with my friends without asking if it's ok :-))) she has no problem with it...
@sheridan: :-))) i think your hand don't counts, because when it counts, everybody here takes it with... but... did you have a picture of your hand in your moneybag?

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by actionjetzon
I think it isn´t...i don´t know any female producer in my area

.hm........i know many girls and women who make anything of techno.........

[karitek]

i think that the girls are a lot more quieter about the fact that they are playing or making music. most of my female friends can dj and are quite good, but a lot of them (including me) hardly ever play out. also, i have found that most of my female friends who decide to start producing take a course in music production, while most of my male friends just jumped right in.

one thing i hate though is that as a female, people assume that u don't dj. even friends that i had known quite well and know how much i love music have been shocked when they have seen me out playing.

and as far as whether i want my bf to like techno - i agree with wired - i don't care, as long as he is really into another genre of music becuase usually people who are passionate about a genre have a general love of all music.

[Tomoki]

This is a database of females that are involved in electronic music, hosted by Electric Indigo from Vienna.
http://www.femalepressure.net/

[aleks]

Originally posted by karitek
[B i don't care, as long as he is really into another genre of music becuase usually people who are passionate about a genre have a general love of all music. [/B]

word

[aleks]

but i don´t any girls who are into techno music in my town...well, there are hardly any boyz into it anyway...

[Django]

for the german speaking crew

there´s a really good article about girls&techno in groove magazine... i think it was the december issue?!

[thetonewrecker]

the midwest has lots of girls who are into the pounding grooves. Just jammin' out there with the rest of us guys all lost in the beating funk.

[M H]

Originally posted by a.rodin
I mean how many of you take your girls or dates to a techno jam?

Ciao bella!

I do when I manage to prise her off the Nord modular.....

[marcel]

Originally posted by karitek
i don't care, as long as he is really into another genre of music becuase usually people who are passionate about a genre have a general love of all music.

that's it

---------------

my fav-dj's are female( cora and eva).

but hey i want more girls on the floor. its a shame that you only see boys, jesus.
in a raveline was a good article with jeff mills sayin something about this fact. he said the maledj's are playin only for guys, fast and bangin and so on. not enough funky stuff

yeah bring the funk back and the girls will come i'd say!

[thetonewrecker]

Originally posted by marcel
yeah bring the funk back and the girls will come i'd say!

work it, own it, shake it, jack it! ride that bass right across the floor.
true true true.

[Mercedez Ben]

chicago's techno scene is sporting some serious girl power. as it has grown over the past year or so, so has the involvement of both sexes. thank god! cuz nothing sucks more than room full of dudes! (no pun intended, har har)

[Mercedez Ben]

see, chicago has this soul basis as in a lot of the techno dj's mix it up, play funky shit. it's had a big effect on my style i would say. i use to bang it at 140, crazy energy. i've always loved to jack and like to think that i kept it funky, but nothing clears a floor like a hour of drumcode tracks or other such samey nonsense.

[invisibleplanet]

i am female.
i like techno
i like funk by George Clinton
i like rap by Gil Scott-Heron
i like european electronic music by many artists (stockhausen, can [if they can be included here] cristian vogel/jamie liddell, mouse on mars, arovane, sterolab, two lone swordsman, aphex twin, the list is endless)
i like the blues sometimes though not often
i like jazz alot - but mostly miles davis
i like native african rhythms alot
i like miles davis be-bop
i like yes king crimson robert fripp eno ambient intelligent electro

I never heard detroit techno until recently - when i started going to clubs again after staying in listening to music at home for the last 10 years i began to hear this.

I prefer european techno to detroit at this present time, although i concede that detroit techno has that funkadelic edge, i don't think i actually like detroit techno enough to be able to comment well, and haven't heard enough of it (however i go to see jeff mills as part of my 'education'). personally, i would prefer to hear more african and european root sounds than a mash of detroit styled techno funk. for techno to be progressive, surely it must embrace a broader range than it currently does.

I have some ideas about how to encourage more women into clubs and into listening to techno, but i don't think the answer is more funk.

In my opinion, I think techno mixed with portugeuse farouk jazz, moroccan, algerian, african rhythms and eastern music would be far better than when mixed with funk in the detroit style. If i were to make techno - i would take my rhythm patterns from these roots.

[marcel]

Originally posted by Mercedez Ben
but nothing clears a floor like a hour of drumcode tracks or other such samey nonsense.

not here in chemnitz. you can play the whole night drumcode or other nonsense and there will be still some idiots on the danceflorr screamin "yeah yeah how crazy"- very annnoyin place sometimes inhere

@invisibleplanet you won't believe how unfunky techno can be. i don't mean with funky detroit (althoug i love this sound and would like to hear more of this here). i mean more a certain feeling, you know, then you hear it all you want to do is to shake your booty. i think funk can't be defined, its just something shakeadelic..

[nimmina]

[i]yeah bring the funk back and the girls will come i'd say! [/B]

i am female too, but i don´t think that funk will bring the girls back to the floor.
it sounds a bit easy. or do you mean all girls like funky, housy stuff?
there are a lot of women who like harder, noisy music (industrial, hardcore,
hardtechno or whatever)! or i know a lot of them.

[wheezer]

Originally posted by Mercedez Ben
but nothing clears a floor like a hour of drumcode tracks or other such samey nonsense.

I'd have to disagree with that too - last party I was at around here had chris liebing & neil landstrumm as headliners (guess which artist I was interested in hearing hehe), chris played first with 4 hours of ultramonotoneboringasfuck tracks, and there were a good 1000 people on the floor, going crazy to the sound. I'd wager that the guy-girl ratio was alright as well...

[Lady E]

oh its a tough one, this

the inevitable facts of the matter are that in my experience the vast majority of people i know take the safe option musically and marginally more of those people tend to be women

but i know many women, and indeed am one, who likes a range of music from challenging to lite.

maybe women (massive generalisation coming up) prefer a social time through music to a personal / egocentric journey,and therefore favour songs that encourage that? which would broadly explain the resurgence of wedding music and bland r+b taking over the nation
WHICH incidentally, i really like too, just not all the fucking time.

[deccard]

Originally posted by emma
oh its a tough one, this

maybe women (massive generalisation coming up) prefer a social time through music to a personal / egocentric journey,and therefore favour songs that encourage that? which would broadly explain the resurgence of wedding music and bland r+b taking over the nation
WHICH incidentally, i really like too, just not all the fucking time.

i would say that too cause i really miss on the dancefloor that people dance together and play around and make fun.
the technothing seems to be so fucking serious now.
the purists ruined it all :)

[a.rodin]

Whew! I am glad that there are a fair amount of women representin' here. Whenever I go out, it's infinitely better when you are in the presence of a woman. Especially one that you just met and are getting to know cuz it can just make you feel all warm inside. I think women should always pay a reduced cover at techno events and increase the female ratio. God bless women all over the world! Bellisima!

[zombie ritual]

If you go to the female pressure hp you can see that there are shitloads of female dj's and producers (although mostly dj's). I think it just doesn't occur to men that there could be any, thus they have the impression that there are no women taking actively part in the scene. They just never bothered to search them.

As for the social part: I don't know why you can't be social with e.g. NF stuff or grindcore playing in the background. People should start to fucking realise that so-called "challenging" music - which it isn't really I believe - can be fun as well. Or am I completely wrong?

[invisibleplanet]

no - you are not completely wrong! it's your opinion, and therefore valuable!

socially - what women want:
toilet roll in the toilets *g
sensitive bouncers who know to step in if a crazy male harassess them
somewhere to sit and chat to make contacts with m/f fellow techno lovers
bouncers who look after them even when they are outside the club, needing a taxi
more cocktails :)

(can u ladies add more?)

musically what women want:
progressive techno music to dance to (not something so close to house that it almost smells like house)
more super_collider/subhead/arovane/scannerfunk performing live in the UK provinces, so it's not just about DJ's!

hehe - i'm an idiot - i can't speak for all women - only myself. :!

[FregLes]

... but in many clubs there are already enough bouncers, who are looking that nothing happens and when you get in trouble with obtrusive men they will for sure throw them out! You can also order a taxi directly in front of the club entrance in most cases to be more safe! But I'm sure theses are not the causes why less women go to techno events... But lower entries would be cool:))
But, please don't play more funky, housy stuff:)
probably there are less women, because they aren't that fanatic with the music style. ...and when they are- they are maybe too shy to show what they can especially in front of an big audience ... probably for them it is enough to do it at home for themselves.... and many girls wouldn't show it before they aren't sure to be perfect and this can last. So maybe wait a few years...

[marcel]

ahh jesus funky doesn't mean housy!
i don't know how to describe it in english what i intended with that.
maybe it wasn't the right word, let me say more INTERESTING music?

[FregLes]

yes, of course is funky not the same as housy music!!! I just said it because it sounds that girls would rather prefer more funky or housy stuff!

[minor tint_]

when i go to a club i,want to hear more intellegent stuff.....im looking to be swept off my feet by complicated beats,and technical preciseness,or technical sloppyness.house will always be good,essecially deep house,but the ongoing desire for bullshit bores me.please raise the standards.

[Tomoki]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
hehe

i prefer jazzy techno


has it been invented yet? *fg

Indeed, there are a few producers that produce this kind of stuff. I know Laurent Garnier, Jeff Mills…
Last night I had a short chat with Jukka about this saxophone thing. In most of the cases the sax is misused for horrible cheap produced house tracks, but it is good put in scene in lets say “the man with the red face” from L.Garnier.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by minor tint_
when i go to a club i,want to hear more intellegent stuff.....im looking to be swept off my feet by complicated beats,and technical preciseness,or technical sloppyness.house will always be good,essecially deep house,but the ongoing desire for bullshit bores me.please raise the standards.

an example to me of this intelligent precise complicated beats techno would be....
out with the girls by cristian vogel (http://stream.sil.at:3333/file/C/Christian_Vogel_-_Out_With_The_Girls.mp3)

(if it's not ok to have this song available to herunterladen from sil.at, please say, and i'll remove the link)

track is appropriate for this thread also!

[namshub]

Originally posted by nimmina


i am female too, but i don´t think that funk will bring the girls back to the floor.
it sounds a bit easy. or do you mean all girls like funky, housy stuff?
there are a lot of women who like harder, noisy music (industrial, hardcore,
hardtechno or whatever)! or i know a lot of them.

true,
most of the girls i know producing trax (like t[i]ara), make really fukked up noise stuff. and generally like harsher tunes.

[zombie ritual]

hmm I don't know. I wish it really was like girls were into harsh stuff, but I'm afraid this only appeals to some. Nimmina, if you remember the parties in Bern and Lausanne and Leikos ruff dj sets, have you tried to estimate the guys:girls ratio? Well I have, and I think it was about 4:1.

[minor tint_]

good example,invisibleplanet....... ..i too enjoy the readiness of crisitan vogel,always on point,never letting us down,and leaving us with a desire for more.this is what im refrencing to,for its out there ..its just getting the guts to go back to those clubs that once decieved us.

[V Knid esq]

Girls are, like, gay.

[a.rodin]

^^ brighton has a nice sized gay population doesn't it? :)


anyways, i think that if there was a revolution for promoters all over the world and let girls come for free until it was at least 40% women in the crowd, all techno events would be off da hook and create a nice sexy vibe which a lot of these events need-

then again, maybe the lot of you don't care of there was a sinlge woman in the crowd amidst the sausages and swashbucklers. LOL!

[invisibleplanet]

actually - I care

eigentlich - ich kümmere!

my friend (who is a girl)and i were outnumbered 40:1 once....
now that was downright scary.

perhaps it's a good idea to reduce the price for women.
how do the menfolk feel about your idea?
is this practised where u are?

it cannot be a fault of the genre, because so many women i know love electronic music, and techno is the electronic music we like to dance to - not house, and not pop-disco, or speed garage, etc.

i think techno will continue to grow in popularity, and more women will be attracted to the scene.

[CoS]

i'm sorry, but isn't this discount thing for girls pretty..errm...stupid.
i mean, if the girls WANT to go to a club they can and will pay the entrance.
isn't the problem, that girls have less interest in techno than men ...i mean, not really a problem, just a general thing.
they have the right to go to any party but if they don't like the music, what can you do??
i noticed a lot of times, when a woman is djing, than you have less girls on the dancefloor... is it because of jealousy, or is it really the music they don't like??? it's weired but a lot of times women have problems with female dj's, i noticed...
maybe, it's just my own impression...who knows..!?

[Sheridan]

I don't like the idea of letting girls in for free until they occupy 40% of the space. the reason is that I have seen that in more preppy bars and clubs in dc and what happens is guys will be turned away even if there is room, just because the ratio is off. if I traveled to a club and couldn't get in because the ratio was 4:1 as opposed to 2:1 I am going to be pissed. I want to be there! so let me in. I would love to see more women at techno/experimental gatherings. I am all about hearing some new female djs and producers. and I think it is coming around. look at skateboarding. that sport was so dominated by guys. now there is a lot of female skaters coming up and companies created to cater to the female skater. techno just needs a bit more exposure and for more women to think it is ok to get involved. I say bring them on. because there is one thing I have noticed. that women who are into techno tend to be quite attractive to boot...:D

[V Knid esq]

I don't think women not liking techno is a given... I have been to parties where there is a 50/50 mix, and the women dance to even the hardest/fastest/most distorted tracks. The problem is one of image. It's a vicious circle. The less women go to techno clubs, the more the public perception is of the music as being for dorky boys, and so the less enticing it is for women. A lot of the techno community don't do too much to counter this image, either - in the guise of 'keeping it underground', they perpetuate an image of taciturn machismo. The problem is also what Kodwo Eshun calls "mechanismo" - the presentation of the music as being a kind of almost military/industrial process, to the detriment of the human/sexy side of things.

[phdbob]

@V Knid esq
world consists of vicious circles! "v" stands for victory!

[marcel]

'keeping it underground' is one of my favorite hated phrases these days. a lot of stupid things come around with this, mostly no idealism just only posing- annoying

[wheezer]

heh, if I need to be reminded that something is underground through usage of the word underground, it ain't underground.

[Sheridan]

yup yup. keep it real! ;)

[thetonewrecker]

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[tsr_tomas]

@tonewrecker: hihi... nice.

[marcel]

Originally posted by wheezer
heh, if I need to be reminded that something is underground through usage of the word underground, it ain't underground.

yeah wheezer, totally true

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by marcel


yeah wheezer, totally true

heyho

In my lengthy experience, 'underground' venues are more likely to be filled with disproportionate amounts of male 'dorky types', and nervy females, large amounts of uncool visible drug taking, and are probably run by gangsta style managers with undesirable connections to the drug underworld. Generally they have filthy environments and young men either od-ing or harassing women. It's quite sad really. I make a sweeping generalisation here, and choose to blanket all 'underground' venues, and not just techno venues.

I do choose not to go to these types of venue knowingly.

btw tonewrecker! I totally LOVE that thong! although i hope that it is obvious that I love TECHNO without having to show u all my knickers *hrhr

[a.rodin]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet


heyho

In my lengthy experience, 'underground' venues are more likely to be filled with disproportionate amounts of male 'dorky types', and nervy females, large amounts of uncool visible drug taking, and are probably run by gangsta style managers with undesirable connections to the drug underworld. Generally they have filthy environments and young men either od-ing or harassing women. It's quite sad really. I make a sweeping generalisation here, and choose to blanket all 'underground' venues, and not just techno venues.
I do choose not to go to these types of venue knowingly.

...the above sounds like a Guy Ritchie movie scene. Or a dark David Fincher movie like Fightclub or Seven. You're right, I liken those kind of clubs with afterhours where it's all about retaining the high and not enough love. Underground sucks. Underground means trying to stay afloat yet remaining visible. Kinda like when all I used to listen to was hardcore music and it was taboo to listen to anything else- lest you be chastened by your peers. "Now that I'm older, I'm not so insecure, I find that I changed my mind and opened up the door."

What pretell does your signature mean Invisible Planet? The decisive hour is not the present hour?
Je ne comprende pas! Expainez moi maintenant! :)

[zombie ritual]

what exactly is a dorky type? and of which "underground clubs" are you talking? I think you can find all what you described rather in big discotheques.

[Hiro]

There are quite a few females who are in to techno (as well as many other types of sound) in my circle of friends- Although, I admit it is a relatively new thing.

Sweeping generalization #456: Many of us grew up tomboyish- and felt more comfortable around guys (common interests etc.) Along with the (dragging feet)- "Growing up" process... comes a strange will to hang out with other girls- who understand a few of the things the boys simply do not. To find girls who understand the music nerd tendencies has been something I have been extremely grateful for... I cherish the likeminded lunatic- whether they sport a bra- or not.

Bringing balance to the force.

See? 'dork' is genderless

[wheezer]

Originally posted by a.rodin


What pretell does your signature mean Invisible Planet? The decisive hour is not the present hour?
Je ne comprende pas! Expainez moi maintenant! :)

the time is now.

[t[i]ara]

I assumed there were about 3:1 girls on here...
there always seems to be loads of girls at techno parties here...
a few producers around too...

this girl wants: less house more noise..

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Hiro
Sweeping generalization #456: Many of us grew up tomboyish- and felt more comfortable around guys (common interests etc.) Along with the (dragging feet)- "Growing up" process... comes a strange will to hang out with other girls- who understand a few of the things the boys simply do not. To find girls who understand the music nerd tendencies has been something I have been extremely grateful for... I cherish the likeminded lunatic- whether they sport a bra- or not.

Bringing balance to the force.

See? 'dork' is genderless

yes - u are right, and i am one of those 'late blooming' geeky girls who loved to read 2000AD, listen to weirder strains of music, and hang out with the guys.

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by marcel
'keeping it underground' is one of my favorite hated phrases these days. a lot of stupid things come around with this, mostly no idealism just only posing- annoying

Yep - I remember at the Futuresonic conference a few years back someone said "do you think John Coltrane would have liked to 'keep it underground'?". No. I think that attitude holds music back. Sure, as far as illegal parties are concerned you need a certain level of secrecy, but when people actively try to stop wicked music reaching a wider audience it makes me sick. The only way to get girls (and all sorts of other people who would not be interested in cool electrnic shit otherwise) into your parties is to let them know how FUN they are.

[Hiro]

V Knid esq: "but when people actively try to stop wicked music reaching a wider audience..."

I agree- It is all about exposure- People become so fearful that a thing will become warped with too much spread, that they selfishly aim to hit the mass mute button- It is quite counterproductive in my mind.

The MTV world tends to overdo it, but for the few who are genuinely turned on/inspired by something new that they would not have normally seen/heard otherwise- it only progresses the artist and the listener.

Trends come and go- Those who care not, will only leave for the next "big thing" - the listener has a new sound to passion over- and the artist has a deserved platform.

[bitch one]

i heard judge jules has started playing neil landstrumm peacefrog records.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by bitch one
i heard judge jules has started playing neil landstrumm peacefrog records.

yes, in an interview in dj mag recently, judge jules reckoned that techno was the 'new hard house'

this sparked off quite a discussion in Overload Media's Forum (http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2048)

which in turn sparked this discussion here in the dj.mag forum: http://www.djmag.com/forum/index.cgi?start=70&finish=79

i think it was September's Issue of DJ Mag, if u know of anyone with back-issues.

I don't normally listen to radio1 on a friday, when i believe JJ is on. I never heard Judge Jules EVER!
ALL I know is he is a mainstream dj. If it's true, then methinks this is the beginning of a wider audience for techno, and so JJ playing techno would be a great thing! - who's knows, I may even tune into Radio 1 when John Peel is not on air (rare).

It could be good for all techno musicians to have a wider exposure in the mainstream , but PLEASE - not to call it the new hard house!

[Lady E]

you ARE joking?


Judge Jules was a cousin of a friend of cristian's when cris was a teenager starting to write music. Cristian wrote to him and sent a tape and Jules wrote back a really long, really sweet letter encouraging him. i think he's still got it.
and being the persistent type he is, cristian rang him up at home...at the time Jules lived with dan donovan whose marriage to Patsy Kensit had publically dissolved that morning and there was press all round the house.

so although i think he plays dreadful music ive always had a soft spot for JJ.

[bitch one]

ok, i come clean, i am joking..

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by emma
you ARE joking?


Judge Jules was a cousin of a friend of cristian's when cris was a teenager starting to write music. Cristian wrote to him and sent a tape and Jules wrote back a really long, really sweet letter encouraging him. i think he's still got it.
and being the persistent type he is, cristian rang him up at home...at the time Jules lived with dan donovan whose marriage to Patsy Kensit had publically dissolved that morning and there was press all round the house.

so although i think he plays dreadful music ive always had a soft spot for JJ.

Um... by all accounts, he certainly used to be lovely, enthusiastic and encouraging of new talent. Unfortunately the usual combination of getting payed too much, blind adulation and bugle have turned him into a grade A knobber. My mate who knew him 'back in the day' worked as his accountant recently and confirmed that he has become a self-obsessed deluded bumhole. He certainly comes across that way on his radio show.

If he's playing techno, though, more power to him.

[Lady E]

i dont really post on or read overload much, just because of time and it often crashes my computer...but i like it and them very much.

just reading that thread, could the ben elton doppelganger referred to be current skint signed techno producer famous for tracks named after a colour?
i know he gets none too happy if his name is mentioned on boards such as these...

[schlongfingers]

Originally posted by emma
i dont really post on or read overload much, just because of time and it often crashes my computer...but i like it and them very much.

just reading that thread, could the ben elton doppelganger referred to be current skint signed techno producer famous for tracks named after a colour?
i know he gets none too happy if his name is mentioned on boards such as these...

Thanks for the kind words Emma, I develop the Overload site - could you have a check through for me and see if it does still crash your browser? I know we were causing problems for Mac users last year, but I think we've fixed everything now . . . Please let me know if not :-)

Regarding Ben Elton's Doppelganger - I think your suspicions may be correct, I guess there's ways of preventing the mention of his name on message boards after all ;-)

[Lady E]

lovely to talk with you!!

i just had a browse for half an hour actually and although pretty slow it didnt crash my computer once so it looks like that is fixed.

your site is a lot bigger than this one so i guess that's why its a bit slower.

anyway, im going to go there more often now!

[invisibleplanet]

yes, emma - OL board is great (i'm there as unsichtbarbaer)
I find it has a very informative club nights forum, where many promoters post future events for electronic & techno nights, and I enjoy reading the discussion forum also.

back to JJ, perhaps I'm getting mixed up with the time that he was playing in Belgioum, and the police pulled the plug on his arena due to the readings on the decibel meter, and he had to play in the techno arena, with only 10 techno records! (his first ever techno set). He made some pretty sweeping statements about the intolerance of techno fanatics, but perhaps he's since become a convert? who knows!

[wheezer]

well, to be fair, jj probably has a point about the intolerance of 'techno fanatics', I have rarely seen such near-faschistic purism in other forms of music...

...and as for that "techno is the new hard house" statement, well if you look at the German scene, where Chris Liebing remixes go into the dance charts all the time and tracks like the horrorist - one night in nyc are played on viva, it doesn't sound that unlikely to me...

[thetonewrecker]

What about "Judge Judy"? wait...that's an american show...I don't know what I'm talking about...

[schlongfingers]

Originally posted by emma
lovely to talk with you!!

i just had a browse for half an hour actually and although pretty slow it didnt crash my computer once so it looks like that is fixed.

your site is a lot bigger than this one so i guess that's why its a bit slower.

anyway, im going to go there more often now!

Good to talk to you as well, I'm well into what you do and the music you push forward, even though I don't get time to get involved in discussion on your message board. Glad to hear that we aren't crashing your browser now, I was worried there :-)

re// the speed of the site, we use a small, independant hosting service based in Leicester, and have since the start - sometimes they can struggle a little when they are getting large volumes of traffic, but at the end of the day they are a fantastic bunch of people who have completely supported us - and whilst the site can be slow at times, it's never gone down for more than ten minutes.

Anyway, sorry to hijack this thread, I'd like to echo the point made that the ladies at techno nights are the best looking, most clued up and most switched on bunch around - much like the men :-D

Maybe a contributing factor toward the low ratio of women in underground nightclubs is the higher risk of attack / abuse for them in society in general - I think that this could decrease the likelihood of women going out alone, whereas men in general would feel more confident in this situation. To expand a little, this could then lead to women going out in larger groups, and then having to compromise musically in order to get something that everybody in the group finds accessable.

[Tomoki]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet


Liebing does what?- nooooooooooo - i never heard his dj style before!

he plays soon with Ben Sims @orbit

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Be lucky, Liebing has a residency here at the U60311 club in Frankfurt and the audience and music are bad as hell. You see Plastikravers in every square meter dancing and stomping very odd. The only thing they want is a monotone beat the whole night.
Tonight it’s the third anniversary of Chris Liebings evening with Steve Rachmad, Joel Mull, Adam beyer, Andreas kauffelt live and Liebing himself.

[Lady E]

hmm. interesting point schlongfingers. im trying to think if that has ever been a consideration for me and i dont think it has...i wouldnt feel comfortable going out on my own at all i dont think, ive never done it anyway, but all through my life ive had two best friends who liked the same music and the three or two of us would go to gigs all over london and get the last train back to the suburbs and walk home...in fact i grew up inthe town where that teenage girl Milly Dowler was abducted by the station recently and i was just thinking...all the years i came home on the last train really drunk and walked home for a mile...that could have been me.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by schlongfingers
I'd like to echo the point made that the ladies at techno nights are the best looking, most clued up and most switched on bunch around - much like the men :-D

Maybe a contributing factor toward the low ratio of women in underground nightclubs is the higher risk of attack / abuse for them in society in general - I think that this could decrease the likelihood of women going out alone, whereas men in general would feel more confident in this situation. To expand a little, this could then lead to women going out in larger groups, and then having to compromise musically in order to get something that everybody in the group finds accessable.

well, women do need to go it alone occasionally. i have done this in local techno club, always with great safety. I can also handle the eceptionally rare 'daring letcher' adequately and with good humour on any dance floor! u have to know that i am no girl! i am a woman of 36 & i'm enjoying this age incredibly.
personally i'm in a tricky position with my location, having moved to a here recently and also working from home means I don't get to meet people without effort on my part.

because I find Daniel Benavente playing from Neue Heimat, Stuttgart playing in Nottingham,and my german friends have raved about his dj-ing (among others) i'm going to go it alone. none of my g/f are free that weekend-what choice do i have?! AM i behaving recklessly? people know i will be arriving.

For me to compromise with my girlfriends, the common ground in our instance, is a club that plays 'house'. or even better,we found a gay club that plays house *g. this can be fun, and we've been even though none of us are gay, but schlongfingers! it's just NOT TECHNO.

i have met and chatted to such intelligent, good-looking/güte- aussehend people [sic] in techno clubs, that I haven't found elsewhere in any kind of other musically classified club. On a more 'mystical' note....i feel this has a lot to do with the music we're exposing ourselves to..namely techno and other eclectric electric musik. Perhaps it's having an unquanitifiable effect upon our brain-waves? *g

back to the 'discount' issue - i don't think this is the answer - we're the same @f/m and i don't think there should be a different pricing for the girls.

(i seem to have written a small essay here - perhaps i shouldn't have pressed SEND?) :)

[V Knid esq]

The fact that some women do feel unsafe is media-conditioned - we are constantly bombarded with stories about girls being abducted etc, when in reality young men are far more at risk of being attacked.

[schlongfingers]

I take your point V Knid, although I'd imagine that a high proportion of male assault victims on a Friday or Saturday evening tend to be related to alcohol fuelled fights.

[bitch one]

yeah, they were probably asking for it.

[invisibleplanet]

perhaps they fight because there are just not enough techno-girls for each techno-male yet, and then fighting is a way of showing how pissed off/unhappy they are - just a thought :!

what do techno-girls look for in techno-boys? *g

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
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what do techno-girls look for in techno-boys? *g [/B]

a REALLY BIG..........record collection.:!

[aleks]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet perhaps they fight because there are just not enough techno-girls for each techno-male yet, and then fighting is a way of showing how pissed off/unhappy they are - just a thought

it is just boredom and of course fun:)

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Sheridan
a REALLY BIG..........record collection.:!

rofl - something so material?

i'm often so submerged in the music and dancing that i don't really notice the guys at first...but when i eventually do, the first thing i notice is how they dance, and then how joyful they seem to be when they're dancing, and then their eyes & the eye contact they give - it's a whole wordless form of communication, and i like that - not having to speak for hours, and just dancing until i'm high

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by Sheridan


a REALLY BIG..........record collection.:!


hääähäääää

[marcel]

Originally posted by schlongfingers


Thanks for the kind words Emma, I develop the Overload site - could you have a check through for me and see if it does still crash your browser? I know we were causing problems for Mac users last year, but I think we've fixed everything now . . .

overload crashes my netscape. but maybe its because of my shitty pc