Is it more important to be funny or good?

[V Knid esq]

Does it ever bother you that people often get away with really bad shit because they're funny? I'm talking about really really bad, unforgivable actions - severe violence, theiving and the like - which people will turn a blind eye to for as long as they can simply because someone is 'the life and soul of the party' or 'a bit of a geezer' or whatever. Sometimes it even goes further, and someone who is uneasy or uncomfortable with that person might be accused of being 'dull' or a 'party pooper' or whatever and even ostracised from the social circles in question for daring to suggest that being entertaining isn't everything. It's especially true with people who are fond of 'edgy' humour - and let's face it we all like a bit of cruelty / darkness / psychosis in our humour - which can so easily cross the line into bullying/abuse/serious prejudice etc, but which people it seems are sometimes wary of criticising for fear of being seen to be 'not getting it'...

I'm not talking about anything or anyone in particular I hasten to add - but I've seen this pattern repeated many many times to one degree or another.

[Level]

I have felt like I am that dull party pooper, but it's not been because I didn't get it more that I had picked up on a sinister side to them.

Then they would do something like you mentioned and prove me right.

Then I'll say something to them about it and not just leave it incase I make myself look the miserable c.unt.

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by Level
I have felt like I am that dull party pooper, but it's not been because I didn't get it more that I had picked up on a sinister side to them.

Yeah that's exactly what I mean, but if you just think someone is a wanker without total proof that they are doing what you suspect, you can definitely look like a party pooper.

I've seen very similar things with mental illness and serious drug habits too - if you suggest someone might need help people can think you're a twat cos that person's madness/wired-ness is entertaining.

[Level]

Originally posted by V Knid esq


I've seen very similar things with mental illness and serious drug habits too - if you suggest someone might need help people can think you're a twat cos that person's madness/wired-ness is entertaining.

Yeah, but just because someone has mental health or drug problems doesn't mean they can't be challenged when they do wrong. They are the ones who need to be told as they often have little concept of right and wrong whilst in their current state.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Level,

Remember that guy that we were going to - let's say correct - at those Long Weekend peeps house? You know the dude with the GHB? I always remember them saying that he was OK and was a friend, we were obviously not of that frame of mind from the off.
The guy wasn't particularly nice or entertaining and was wondering around trying to spike peoples drinks. I can't remember if he left or was forced to leave, but he still didn't see what he was doing as wrong. It certainly came as no suprise when he was found a few weeks later battered to death for the same sort of antics. I remember our antipodean acquaintances being shocked by this as well.

[Paddy]

that sounds heavy as fuck jamie. was he seriously battered to death?

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Proper. He was found ragdolled up a lane. It was weird, it was like people at the party we were at weren't really treating it as a serious thing to be doing, I guess this wasn't the case at the last party he attended.

[Level]

Oh yeah, I remember that it was on the national news and all over the papers.

Then whilst we were saying between ourselves how something like that was always on the cards for him. The crowd who hardly even knew him themselves were still going on about how nice he was.

Ok, he may have had his issues, but he was not nice (possibly because of his issues).

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Exactly, the trouble with superficial, transient "party" people - you always get peeps like this trying their hand and going unnoticed sometimes.

[Paddy]

i'm usually pretty sharpish in tellin cunts like that to fuck right off. i don't really care if i'm seen as a party pooper if they're ruining mine and my mates fun.

[Level]

In answer to the the original question "Is it more important to be funny or good?"

Obviously good, I'd rather be appreciated for my goodness than be the court jester.

I'm just very fortunate that I am both funny and good. :)

[Level]

Originally posted by nik-nak
i'm usually pretty sharpish in tellin cunts like that to fuck right off. i don't really care if i'm seen as a party pooper if they're ruining mine and my mates fun.

Absolutley.

If they want to come the c.unt too much they are left in no doubt as to how it is being received.

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by nik-nak
i'm usually pretty sharpish in tellin cunts like that to fuck right off. i don't really care if i'm seen as a party pooper if they're ruining mine and my mates fun.

That's obviously good, but I was originally talking about people who don't spoil the fun - quite the opposite, they MAKE the fun a lot of the time, but behind closed doors are complete arseholes... it's less easy to stand up and call someone who keeps everyone amused a wrong'un even if you really trust your instincts.

The question 'is it more important to be funny or good?' is rhetorical really; most people would answer as Level does, but sad to say people often get rewarded for being funny rather than good. There's a political dimension to it as well - I suspect that it relates to the ever-increasing rise of image over morality in public life... though of course it may have always been thus, who knows...

[invisibledan]

i see it as funny=short term, good=long term
in that i would see myself being friends with someone longer who was good/reliable etc. not a throwaway laugh, especially when instinct was telling me they arent all they appear

[Sheridan]

back in the days of my more heavier drug use was this guy named zach who was pretty much the life of the party, and made a lot of people laugh and have a good time. sometimes he was a straight asshole to one person at a time though. he liked to pick on me at parties and start a running gag that everybody would get into. behind closed doors he did a lot of other shady stuff like take other peoples drugs and use my friend's gas card. I told my friend about his behaviour and zach got kicked out shortly after this other guy, brian broke zach's nose. he was a lost cause drug addict. he's probably dead or in jail.

[Daddys Girl]

Originally posted by Level
In answer to the the original question "Is it more important to be funny or good?"

Obviously good, I'd rather be appreciated for my goodness than be the court jester.

I'm just very fortunate that I am both funny and good. :)

:)

I'm realising more & more that it's pretty rare to come across people who will turn out to be long standing good friends... encountered many people who were an absolute blast (funny & otherwise) but then just fizzled out. I'm sure the same people I've encountered probably thought the same thing of me @ some point too.

[Phil]

if your in a group of mates and your the only one who can see some blokes a cunt and all your other mates are blind to it, then your mates are cunts as well Joe. get some fucking new mates mate.

[Phil]

thats why i dont hang about with any cunts. keep it tight, dont befriend pricks then sorted., boom You get a real tight crew. thats how it workks

[TimB]

Fuck Funny. Be Good.

I've been in the position of having to tell random post-club parasites to fuck right off more than once. I'm with Paddy on this one.

Your true mates'll trust your judgement, even if they don't realise the exact reason for your suspicions etc.

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by Katie
if your in a group of mates and your the only one who can see some blokes a cunt and all your other mates are blind to it, then your mates are cunts as well Joe. get some fucking new mates mate.

It was an observation about something I've seen happen in the past Phil, not a complaint about anyone I know in particular. You can choose your close friends, yes, and of course your right, you befriend people who are solid and who you can trust - but when you talk about wider social circles, especially if you are involved with clubbing, music, drugs etc, it's not so simple and clean cut.

[Phil]

yeah but who fucking cares about clubbing people, there all fuycking pricks. hopeless cunts the lot of them. fuck em all mate. keep it tight.

[thembuzz]

Originally posted by TimB
Fuck Funny. Be Good.

I've been in the position of having to tell random post-club parasites to fuck right off more than once. I'm with Paddy on this one.

Your true mates'll trust your judgement, even if they don't realise the exact reason for your suspicions etc.

i dunno if it's that simple. just being friends with someone doesn't mean i automatically think they're right about everything. they're as prone to lapses of reason as any other human being

[Phil]

all my mates are funny and good. what about that. how bout that.

[pongoid]

You are neither phil, so I guess it must suck to be your mates.

[pongoid]

Funny question I think was asked not long ago, and yet some seem to dismiss it and contradict it not more than three weeks later. Amazing.

*shakes head

[Spandex]

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Edit: there's no point replying really is there.

[V Knid esq]

No.

[thembuzz]

as tempting as it is