Nazi's about to strike back in east germany

[mr_chombee]

man, how dumb can people be? last weekend's elections in saxonia saw terribly high results of german nazi party NPD. they reached as many votes as left wing ruling party SPD. analysts said that NPD became the 2nd powerful party, elected by young people of age 18-25. kinda scary, isn't it? only 150 people shew up to demonstrate against that. is saxonia full of nazis?

[DsD]

perhaps it is good cause the npd will fail for sure. they don`t have any ideas and they don`t know what they should do... it`s better to have them there now...
don`t forget to vote 2006.
that`s the only way to stop the nazis.

[tsr_tomas]

oi, heard about on the news last night, was it 10% of the vote´s they got really in saxonia? thats just scary.
as i understood it people had choose to vote other then the socialdemocratic party be cause of the unemployment was as high as 20%. and that made people angry and choose the nazis instead.


have i´ve been totaly missinformed?

[mr_chombee]

that's totally right tomas.

[mr_chombee]

Originally posted by DsD
perhaps it is good cause the npd will fail for sure. they don`t have any ideas and they don`t know what they should do... it`s better to have them there now...
don`t forget to vote 2006.
that`s the only way to stop the nazis.

well I don't think it's good to have them there. that's how it all started 70 years ago, remember?

[roberta_hood]

can't think that all people who vote this npd, dvu are really nazi's. most of them making "protest voting". especially in the east of germany like saxonia with more than 25% unemployment the people have no perspective. they are disappointed from the situation we have here in germany. it's not right then to say "and now i vote this npd, dvu,..." but they will show the big one like spd, cdu, that's shit what happened at the moment
i think the most of this protes voter will see that this parties only make a big shout and they have no concept. they are dumb!!!at the next polls only this 0,3% satisfy "right voter" are voting this shit nazi parties. can't imagine that this nazie parties will stay longer than until the next polls.

[nickywalsh]

I don't understand, why do germans hate jews etc?

[darrell]

They are back under the name left wing
think about it the nazi left wing party

[goinz]

hehe strange. but i dont wonder about it. i saw schily yesterday in tv and he is is so ignorant that he dont understand the matter of this npd/dvu votings.

[goinz]

Originally posted by nickywalsh
I don't understand, why do germans hate jews etc?


??? what do you think. I dont think that these new npd voters hate really jewisch.
I think its only a signal to the main parties, they have to change there way of thinking. Its protest voting!!!

[goinz]

Originally posted by mr_chombee


well I don't think it's good to have them there. that's how it all started 70 years ago, remember?


but its the misstake of the main parties!

[V Knid esq]

well the original nazis were called national *socialists*, right? The scum will always find some way of appealling to whatever is lacking in the lives of the uneducated - round here we've started getting National Front stickers appearing which talk about how they'll look after 'pensioners instead of asylum seekers' and how they are the most 'environmentally conscious' party. It's weird and wrong.

[goinz]

nazis are in every country. think about it!

[Lady E]

Originally posted by goinz
nazis are in every country. think about it!

of course they are.

[nickywalsh]

i like the colored people. my grandad was colored he was from the west indies so i am a quarter cast. quarter cast is alright cause you can be down with the homies and have the daily mail massive breath easy when u sit next to them on the train.

[goinz]

we may not ignore it but we needn't to overrate it. it happend when the main party will do shit, what they really do this year. Hartz IV and so one. They stop more and more the sozial things here in germany. And the east had the hardest part here. Hartz IV isnt bad for us but they have to provide information people that we dont think its bad. But they dont do it. Idiots everywhere.

[darrell]

Originally posted by goinz
nazis are in every country. think about it!

(left and right wing) nazis rule every country think about it

[goinz]

Originally posted by nickywalsh
i like the colored people. my grandad was colored he was from the west indies so i am a quarter cast. quarter cast is alright cause you can be down with the homies and have the daily mail massive breath easy when u sit next to them on the train.

I like colored people too, but most i like black people for many reasons.

[goinz]

Originally posted by darrell


(left and right wing) nazis rule every country think about it

yes in some european countries too. but not really in germany. Here are Nazis the most of dumb ignorants with very old and not modern ideals.

[roberta_hood]

the problem why nazi parties were voted this weekend is not about racialism. it's a big part especially in the east of germany they feel misunderstood, the think all is wrong what is happing this year in our country. so they don't vote the big parties the vote protest. because this dumb parties like npd, dvu they avail the situation at the moment and the sad, bad feeling the population have. in effect this parties have no ideas, no concept only people in front of their group who have a big mouth and nothing behind...

[roberta_hood]

Originally posted by goinz
...Here are Nazis the most of dumb ignorants with very old and not modern ideals.

that's it

[goinz]

now, they have no chance in germany.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by darrell

(left and right wing) nazis rule every country think about it

in what sense?
are you a conspiracy buff?
or do you get buffed up on conspiracy wine?

[roberta_hood]

no nobody want really nazis at our government

[darrell]

Originally posted by decadnids


in what sense?
are you a conspiracy buff?
or do you get buffed up on conspiracy wine?


Well I don’t see what the conspiracy can be??
Phoney Blair rules the u.k and he’s the head
Of the left wing party and a nazi.....

[jukka]

its pretty stupid to vote for the right winged party just out of protest !#
and its indeed (at least a bit) scary.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by darrell

Well I don’t see what the conspiracy can be??
Phoney Blair rules the u.k and he’s the head
Of the left wing party and a nazi.....

i am not into blair or his policies but he isnt a member of the national socialist party, so no he isnt a nazi

[Lady E]

and the labour party executive is not very left-wing although a lot of the MPs and activists still are.

[thomas hooked]

i'm really, really sorry to keep paraphrasing vice magazine but this may be of use:

http://www.viceland.com/issues_uk/v2n9/htdocs/hippy.php

[oolong]

nazis trying to take over the country so they can stockpile all of the world's waffles

[darrell]

If all they had to do was be a part of the national socialist party,
To be a nazi. That would make life a lot easier for us to spot them

[Lady E]

Originally posted by thomas hooked
i'm really, really sorry to keep paraphrasing vice magazine but this may be of use:

http://www.viceland.com/issues_uk/v2n9/htdocs/hippy.php

a grain of truth

i do agree that it is annoying when people call people 'Nazis' when in fact what they probably mean is 'fascist'. or aspiring fascist.

i dont know the specifics about the frankfurt school in the US Universities but ive read a lot of them and its not at all that simple. i dont think the dumber reaches of critical theory can be laid at max horkehimer's door.

vice mag makes me laugh but its abit of a right-wing rag.

[DsD]

Originally posted by nickywalsh
I don't understand, why do germans hate jews etc?

äh first of all the whole world has an antisemit history. not only the germans. the russians killed all jews they could findin the second world war too for example.

the second thing is... not all germans voted for them... "only" 10 percent in a part of germany and not because of jews...

[marcel]

Originally posted by tsr_tomas
oi, heard about on the news last night, was it 10% of the vote´s they got really in saxonia? thats just scary.
welcome to my world.:(

my youth here was dominated by neonazies. they were fucking everythere in the nineties. with the whole beating-the-shit-out-of-my-friends-stuff and shit like that.
stupidity at its best.
10%- i almost cry

[c s]

Originally posted by mr_chombee
well I don't think it's good to have them there. that's how it all started 70 years ago, remember?

yeah and the idea to force the unemployed to work without money also sounds familiar somehow... guess who had this idea first to improve unemployment statistics in a dramatic situation... maybe good old adolf didn't invent the "ich-ags/thebrand-you" which were introduced for the same reason, but "reichsarbeitsdienst" is an old idea...

as i said here before, the idea of forcing people to take every job no matter what they learned and cut their budget while lowering taxes for the richest and refusing extra taxes for extreme wealth will never be understood. the propaganda supporting these so-called reforms (actually it's a withdrawal of reforms) is strong but not strong enough. some people just won't believe the well-paid commentator claiming the measures taken are "absolutely right" - they realise that this journalist will be affected only by the tax cut.

the gouvernment started to execute the commands of economy, they're no longer balancing economy against the people. it's no surprise people vote for a party that didn't even show faces. now the laments have begun. but lamenting about what? about long-haired people or foreigners slain on village roads? no, about investments, nazis simply tend to make a bad impression on foreign companies... you can see from this that nobody has learned anything.

[KaOz]

cs, nice said. u r my real nigga

[decadnids]

Originally posted by darrell
If all they had to do was be a part of the national socialist party,
To be a nazi. That would make life a lot easier for us to spot them

look - i am using the term nazi as in the political usage of that term.

nazi

A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.


now i agree to some extent that the uk government does have some fascist views if fascism is defined as


often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.



but i dont really see tony blair in the same league as adolf hitler.
or infact as a nazi.

[darrell]

"but i dont really see tony blair in the same league as adolf hitler.
or infact as a nazi''

If you are a innocent kid in Afghanistan and
Your family school friends uncle’s/ girlfriend
Etc. have all been wiped out by indiscriminate
Carpet bombing and apache gunships I think
You would see phoney Blair as a Hitler

But I hope you haven’t seen any thing like
That in real life it’s easy for us not to see it with
Our easy Life style/ computers / coke a cola / etc.

It’s very easy to be detached from the poor woman
On the news whose is crying at just seeing her
Only 3 kids killed in front of her own eyes.

And before you say it that also go`s for the American
And u.k people crying when there only son comes
Back in a coffin

[decadnids]

Originally posted by darrell

But I hope you haven’t seen any thing like
That in real life it’s easy for us not to see it with
Our easy Life style/ computers / coke a cola / etc.


well - i havn't seen any of this first hand, which i am thankful for. and if you do some reading of other older threads on this board, then you will see you are preaching to the converted.

as for real life stuff - my nan (who passed away end of last year - may she rest in peace) was German of origin. She was born in 1930 and grew up in Nazi Germany - and from her direct experience, and from the experience of her family i have quite a clear understanding of the nature of a government that is in essence NAZI's; and the effect of civilians living under such a government

I dont dispute the wrong doings of our own Government at all. (our in this sense being UK )

now i dislike this government as much as the next man; but the fact remains that the Current British Government is not a Nazi Government.

[darrell]

thats in your eyes

[darrell]

and i back that up by sayin that in my eyes

[decadnids]

Originally posted by darrell
thats in your eyes

no shit, who's eyes do you think i am looking from?

i am disputing a term, not a government.

i am disputing the use of the word NAZI as a generalisation for something when in fact is has very significant meanins.

its like how the word Anarchy is bandied around in the media, when in reality the notion of Political Anarchy is not at all what most people believe anarchy to be.

[darrell]

O.k if you want to go down that road
I don’t Hoover my house I vacuum clean
It
DA

[decadnids]

Darrell - the road i am attempting to take you down is the road that tries to create a common means of commincation between two entities so that they are able to discuss a topic using the same language.

i am talking about political ideologies; i am in no way disputing the fact that government do stuff that isnt right.

but you seem to see things more black and white, rather than the greyscale inbetween.

[c s]

Originally posted by KaOz
cs, nice said. u r my real nigga

biddee? ;)

[c s]

meet the guys...

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,391823,00.jpg

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/ap/20040921/13/2707218098.jpg

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/ap/20040921/15/3096411935.jpg

press conference took place in a cheap restaurant called "sächsischer wolf" (saxonian wolf)...

[zombie ritual]

I think that the popularity of right wing organisations or the significance that their ideas seem to have nowadays are the result of the void that the disappearance of authentic left wing ideas and theory has left. Nobody is there to hold against right wing ideas with some credibility. Just look at the social democrats everywhere, they're making essentially conservative economical policy. There was an Italian political theorist - if I'm right - leader or even founder of the italian communist party called Antonio Gramsci who developed the theory of cultural hegemony. Nowadays it's typical right wing issues that dominate the political debate, i.e. which are part of right wing's cultural hegemony today: identity, abuse of social insitutions, the "responsibility of the individual", having to fight for limited resources etc.. In this climate it should really not be astonishing for everyone that parties like the NPD can gain such popularity.