Hip Hop

[Dibu-Z]

If anybody here is in that Hip Hop thing, what are your favourite groups?

I love A Tribe Called Quest to fu**ing hell!!! Midnight Marauders make me crazy everytime i listen to it! Its so brilliant!

[MUX]

well i grew up in a total hiphop enviroment... so it's kinda in my blood i think... well nowadays im into EL-P, Cannibal Ox ( after reading about them here... ) & Edan. i saw a Edan live show and it was a blast...

[wheezer]

well first and foremost I really dig oldschool hiphop, preferably in mixtape format. I've got a mixtape by someone called the disc doctor that I picked up in germany 2 years ago, it contains all the classics in one furious mix...when da docta cuts from slick rick's mona lisa to run dmc's peter piper, I get goosebumps...

but there's plenty of good shit on all hiphop horizons imho, personally I quite enjoy the superslick made for the million dollar hype williams video productions, the "ghetto" stuff etc... tracks like ja-rule's "holla holla" or qb's finest "oochie wally" come to mind. Producers like Dr.Dre and Timbaland keep coming up with at the very least good quality productions, and a lot of stuff happening in the turntablism field could just as well be passed off as the latest Aphex Twin record...

[zombie ritual]

El-P: "Fantastic Damage". Word.

[pille'ocheoni]

digable planets,dilated peoples,freestyle fellowship,jurrasic 5,anti pop,prefuse73,el-p,the grouch,zoin i ,etc...........too-many!

[mini]

there is a really good track released by sissi called 2faces in 97 or 98.
does anybody know about dj koze or fischmob??
dj koze is the best german hiphop producer, i think.

[Dibu-Z]

Yeah i like some work of Digable Planets too. Also J5 and Slick Rick.
I´m more into that older stuff, so i don´t know whats going on at the moment and do not know many of them you all have mentioned.
But i´m sure i´ll check it out near future.

I also really love Lords of the Underground, Group Home´s "livin´proof" and off course some Beasty Boys shit!

German Hip Hop isn´t really my taste. Some acts are cool, e.g. Blumentopf rocks. Funny lyrics

[pille'ocheoni]

there's so much more out there today,the stuff i grew up on was very jazzy,broken hiphop.today im very impresed, im realy excited about where hiphop,and r+b are going nowadays,its giting more glitchy,and welcoming avant garde perspectives.there's a realease on noodles discotech,with a a great japanese artist that floats between breaks and hip hop,gone to the wall-unbelievable-mr sibeggdid a remix that was great,i cant recall the name-because im sitting in programming class right now but if anybody wants the link i can post it later.

[Dibu-Z]

...yeah post it please!

[Mercedez Ben]

Atmosphere from Minneapolis are the shit.

And I'm a little behind the times but there's a compilation called Beyond Real I got that's great for some dope mental shit, especially if you dig the Tribe vibe.

Also check out Tek 9's (Dego,4 Hero) Hip Hop ventures. Very cool shit.

For old or just older school: Gangstar and Black Sheep and Biz Markie.

just a drop in the bucket really.

[Sheridan]

right now is the most exciting time in underground hip hop. I am heavily into the def jux crew run by el-p (fantastic damage is sick) also can ox. but nobody better sleep on my main man aesop rock. the most intelligent mc out right now in my opinion. Mux if you dig el-p and can ox, check out aesop. you should be able to get his latest called labor days. all of his other releases are out of print. but fuck what you heard about eminem being the best white rapper, aesop puts him to shame!
also mr liff, vast aire, and others.
I'm just stoked I get to see KRS-One at the end of the month.

[Loz]

Been a big fan of Public Enemy for ages. A friend of mine met Chuck D, said he is the most clued-up person he's ever met. He knew about everything.

More recently, I really dig the Deltron 3030 album, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Kid Koala and Dan The Automator's side project together. It's something I really recommend to everyone.

[Sheridan]

yeah deltron is sick. if people are into dan the automator then check out handsome boy modeling school. a bunch of duets. one with alec empire and el-p. very cool.

[pille'ocheoni]

dibu-z,....................here its the artist is....................


-ukai seiji+gebo-........"my first soondie ep.".......label :soondie


and the remix by sibegg is on noodles dicotech vol 4 -titled:


"voyaqui akimi re-edit"noddles"


website-http://www.squat.com/noodles

[KaOz]

lala

yeah i was/are big into hip hop too

native tongues inspired me long time ago
like de la soul, tribe called, and all the other stuff

the earlier wu tang stuff, public enemy e.t.c

now i am listening to acts like anti pop consortium ( now splitted :( )

or the ex company flow members, el-p and big jus ( the lune tls LP is so fuckin brilliant from big jus), or cann ox, devine styler e.t.c e.t.c

[KaOz]

juhu deltron 3030 ...yeah all the del thja funkey homosapien stuff rulez.... remeber the "hieroglyphics"... yiam yiam

[LEFTHANDLOU]

Trip out You guys are talking HipHop, Cool !!
I think aLL of you put down some dope stuff just to add to the list

You must check out
Special Ed
Big Daddy Kane
Company Flow, Every body seems to be talking about EL-p anyway but just in case people don't know the old crew

Kool Keith/ Dr octagon shit iz twisted
De La Soul, always on some next shit
GANG STAR, None can test Primo and Guru
Eric B & Rakim
EPMD
The First Cypress Hill
REDMAN's 1st two records
And The B.I.G shit ofcourse .....
Cop these jointz and you are ready TO strike a phat B Boy stance

[LEFTHANDLOU]

PS I Hate To post Some Hate Sh*t But Dego from 4 Hero CAn eat a Dick, I saw that fool In LA, and he Was playing the most Bland Gay Ass, good for Nothing House Ever !!!!

My Ass Plays Better tunes than that

I DoN't Know why the hell DJ's From Europe Come to LA and Decide to play BS Music, Like we don't Apreciate the Real, Trust Me there Iz a lot of people here that Know And Apreciate good Music, So any of you DJ's who are reading THis and Are Planing to come to the States, Come correct !!!

SorrY If This Offends Any Of you 4 Hero Fans, Stricktly my Opinion

[CV]

Being a production freak , a beat freak and a word freak , of couse hip hop is a music i check often , and carry with me always... at the moment I'm down with the UK and US experimental edge - Roots Manouvre, antipop consortium, techno animal, company flow , rahzel, kool keith

[Tomoki]

The funny thing is, when you here people saying they’re hearing Hip Hop they often don’t know what it’s all about, at least here in Germany. For them Hip Hop is dance floor broadcasted on Viva or MTV.

Last Saturday I have seen on Viva Vs. with a mix of Jazzy Jeff. Solid Hip Hop, likewise danceable and audible. The week ago I saw extracts from the DMC-Championships from 1988 till 2000. Word-cuts rules!!

I am not really into this Hip Hop thing, but for me the Neptunes do a great job at the moment and Timbaland as well.

@mini
Is Koze producing Hip Hop at the moment? I think he’s working on his, Cosmic Djs and Erobiques International Pony project.

He’s not only a good producer; he’s one of the best German house-Hip hop djs.

[KaOz]

hehe.... rahzel is great...maybe u know killa kela? he is the best human beatbox in the world..... sick sick sick....

@cristian... what about a collabo with high priest from anti pop consortium or el-p/big juss ;))) :)

mhh i ve heard niel is workin on some hiphop stuff...any news about it? collaborations?

[mini]

@tomoki:
hi, nice speakin you again:)
think last HIPHOPthing from adolf noise was deine reime sind schweine, and thats the vinyl EVERYBODY should have whos into hiphop. its soo true what he do and say on this record!
but youre right, at the moment int.pony and other stuff, no hiphop.
have you seen the inerview with charlotte roche and int. pony last week?

[Tomoki]

Yes, I’ve seen the interview on Viva. The three guys are very funny, Hamburg-style. lol
I believe this week they are on Charlotte’s show again.

You got it; Adolf Noise is a great project from Koze. At first "Deine Reime sind Schweine" is only funny, but with the third, fourth...listen it´s the reality.

[amble]

yo yo yo

adolf noise rules. i think it's 'fischmobs' koze and marcnesium from 'fünf sterne deluxe'. like in any other genre there's some cool guys in germany in that section too: i also like 'eins zwo' or 'flowin immo'.

but i could wet myself when i see stuff like 'massive töne', their "cruisen"-video is really the worst crap in hip hop i ever heard.

[Sheridan]

I am glad to see so many co flow fans here. I grew up in Washington DC so I had the priviledge of seeing co flow about once a month when they would come down from NY to play at pollen which was a rave/dnb/hip hop club. they were one of the best live hip hop acts ever (for me).
timbaland isn't so bad in my opinion. I like the stuff he did for aaliyha. but after a while all his stuff sounds the same. for me the best producers out right now are el-p of course, blockhead (who does aesop's beats) and NASA.
what info can anyone give me on techno animal. I have heard the name but never heard their stuff. whats the down low??

oh yeah one more cat. another white dude from the ghetto of NY. does anyone here know of RA tha rugged man??

[zombie ritual]

Yeah, check out Techno Animal's "Brotherhood of the Bomb", one of last year's best albums IMO. Techno Animal is a side projekt of former Napalm Death/Godflesh-guitarist Justin Broadrick, if I'm not wrong. Usually it's labelled "industrial hiphop" or something like that. He likes fat distorted drum'n'bassy basslines and all things noisy in general, on the other side there's a definitive dub influence. No wonder the album's come out on WordSound. It also features N.Y. underground MCs like El-P and others. There's an older album out called "Versus Nature" (?) with original tracks and remixes by e.g. Alec Empire or Porter Ricks...

So, my knowledge of hiphop is very little, actually I can count my hiphop albums on the fingers of my hands *gg*. But I also like very much: Sensational, Mike Ladd, Kool Keith, Scotty Hard, Company Flow, Antipop Consortium, New Kingdom (who have ceased to exist, unfortunately), New Flesh for Old, early Wutang Clan, ODB, Public Enemy, KRS-One.

[V Knid esq]

Damn damn damn, where to start? The UK thing is doing some very interesting natural hybrids... because everything is so much smaller and closer here, people can't help but collaborate and be influenced by other dance musics... e.g. Big Dada which more than any other label has contributed to the current hip hop rennaisance is an off shoot of Ninjatune, so carries with it lots of the experimentalist/philosophical baggage that Ninja swept up from the old schools, stuck in thier pipes and smoked. UK hip hop always carries with it a sound-system mentality that has reggae basslines at its dusty roots, and is a direct connection to the proper dance-about-with-friends-and-family-out-at-a-block-party-or-barbeque feeling that US hip hop was infused with before the bling and (oochy) bang-bang came into full effect. Mixing that dubwise thing with party-funk humour and hyper modern r&b experimentalism is what has given us Roots Manuva and New Flesh (who are in tune enough with the true-school to get Rammellzee on their album), and now coming up on the inside are ex-purist producers and lyricists who are learning to appreciate the power of the melting pot, most especially Blak Twang, Deckwrecka and Rodney P & Skitz.

I'm not even going to start now on Boom Bip, Doseone, cLOUDdEAD, So-Called Artists, Radio InActive, Why?, Odd Nosdam and that whole spew of middle-american avant-boho-prog-hop freaks... it almost isn't hip hop but it is but it isn't but... *head explodes*

Techno Animal is indeed Justin Broderick, but I think it is mostly driven by Kevin Martin who was also in Godflesh. There are no finer bass manipulators out there... I saw their live show at SONAR 2001 and my innards haven't been the same since. The weird thing about them is that they sound as nasty and distortion riddled as anything on DHR, but if you whack them up loud enough to feel the bass, the most unlikely people will understand and dance to them... the crowd at SONAR was more than 50% female - perhaps Renegade Soundwave were right??

Do I get excommunicated if I say I like Dr Dre?

[KaOz]

nah...
ive heard the last co flow concert in NY was one of the most interresting concerts ever....i wished i was there..... the energy in co flows music is awesome.... when i´m listening to tracks like end 2 end burners or 8 step to perfection....i cant suscribe it... many people says hiphop is dead...but not for me....

one love

[Sheridan]

my favorite co flow track (and probably hip hop track ever) for me
is the fire in which you burn. that beat alone gets me everytime.

[Dibu-Z]

Nice to see so many people reply to this thread!

@ pille'ocheoni
Ah yes, I know what you´re talking about. Its on Subheads FIX label No. 6 or so. There is a new Soondie with da man Shabu Shabu, who make da most crazy stuff i heared. He also made two records on 2CB and they are really sick.
I like it, but anyway its not really my definition of HipHop. I miss the flow and some oldskoolness...and i don´t understand japanese a lot. hehehe


Yeah Black Sheep...., man do not heared them for ages! Gang Starr´s Full Clip is wicked. Especially the two tracks with Jeruh the Damaja and Lil´Depp burn.
Off course all old stuff of Da La Soul is really great, don´t like the latest album.
Company Flow i like too, but do not heared the latest and last album.
Busta Rhymes first two albums are also really dope.

...ah, i recollect there´s so much old stuff that i do not heared a long time and which is really cool.

And Rahzel is fu**ing crazy ! A friend of mine heared him live, and it was absolutely amazing!!!

[ischo]

what about Tha Pharcyde?
they were the shit before splittin' up. saw them on tour in germoney last year, totally blown away on e those guys.

[V Knid esq]

Ah yes, Premier is the man squared... Step Into The Arena is heaven... Jeru's "The Sun Rises In The East" is wondrous... Nas "Illmatic"...

as for beatboxers, the UK has at least 2 who approach the standard of Rahzel - Killa Kela does some amazing stuff jamming with Vadim and Plus One of the Scratch Perverts - his Drum and Bass beats are pretty cool. The Aspects have a beatboxer who I reckon is actually the equal of Rahzel - he can do the whole 'beats and vocals AT THE SAAAAAME TIME' thang just like the gotfather of noize. Actually the Aspects are a great under-rated UK crew - they use their own (bristol) accents, they're superbly funny but deadly serious about their skills, they do great line-swapping in the classic old school style but their rhymestyles are bang up to date, they do a brilliant stage show - I saw them supporting SI Futures, and I believe they might have collaborated with Si. I've been hearing some mental welsh stuff recently... really out on a limb, magic mushroom infused freakery.

[wheezer]

killa kela is fawking good, there was a nice realvideo up over at the redbull music academy a while ago, but it seems to have been taken down...

[amble]

Originally posted by ischo
what about Tha Pharcyde?
they were the shit before splittin' up. saw them on tour in germoney last year, totally blown away on e those guys.

yeah the pharcyde are cool. didn't know that they split up, any solo stuff to check?

i always liked that backwarded video, can't remember the name though.

anyone mentioned 'people under the stairs' yet? theyre tight!

[tsr_robban]

i recommend The J-Live album "All of the Above"
Lyrical O.D. =)
and ofcourse all Egyptian Lover releases...

[pille'ocheoni]

cant go wrong with the lover"i have first print of most of his stuff,its a problem.and if im correct j-live is a elementary english teacher,and justfully underrated,the brillance and the shine from his lyrics to his life, is spellbinding,CHECK HIMM OUT!

[KaOz]

@ sheridan!! YEEHAA... i forgot it :)

COMPANY FLOW......THE FIRE WHICH IN YOU BURNS SLOW

[KaOz]

and dont forget the old rawkus stuff..... mos def & talib kweli as blackstar or solo..i love this two guys....

[Sheridan]

the backwards pharcyde track was called drop.

yeah the rawkus stuff is good. blackstar are working on a new album last I heard. should be coming out relatively soon I think. rawkus had some real good artist but I think they have kind of dropped off a bit. soundboming vol 1 was awesome, but then vol 2 was kind of shitty, with eminem on it and all. the third one is trifling. rawkus is actually the reason company flow broke up. el-p addresses it a bit on his new album:
"be signed to rawkus, I'd rather be mouth fucked by nazis unconcious."

afu-ra anyone??

[Mercedez Ben]

oh shit, has anyone mentioned the ROOTS???!!!

[erik_s]

anacron, south central thynk taynk, mikah-9, dj shadow, common, loop troop, tony da skitzo, dj vadim, jel, moka only, jedi mind tricks, aesop rock, people under the stairs to name a few and i cant belive that anyone have'nt mentioned jaydee besides atcq.

[Murray]

What the man like the Madlib aka lootpack aka quasimoto aka yesterdays new quintet. him and peanut butter wolf are favorites of mine.

[Mui]

I love all the automator produced shit (octagon/deltron/handsome boy) and roots manuva too....aparantly in thom yorke is going to lay some vox for the next handsome boy alb....should be interesting....and automator is working with beck too....

[Sheridan]

el-p is producing zach de la rocha's solo project. not sure how I feel about that but it could be interesting.

[Dibu-Z]

Yeah the ROOTS are cool!

And nobody have mentioned Black Eyed Peas. Some of their shit is really hot.

[Kaiten]

I don't think anyone has mentioned 'Fly (You ain't)' by Push Button Objects feat. Vast Aire from Cannibal Ox...? It's absolutely incredible! Easily one of my favourite singles so far this year.

Also, I've heard rumours of a Prefuse 73 and Mos Def collaboration, does anybody know anything about that?

[Dibu-Z]

Ahh, we have forgot House of Pain!!!


Public Enemy has also some really dope records!

[Sheridan]

public enemy is almost an unspoken thing.
as far as house of pain goes:
"I bust a nut in ya eye, to show you where I come from..""

[V Knid esq]

For those not familiar with the qualiity of UK bounce these days, there's a compilation coming out on Big Dada next month called "Extra Yard - The Bouncement Revolution", which shows how far it's come... it's dancehall-ragga-junglist-garage-hip-hop with r&b syncopation and proper flows with not one hankering after any americanisms on the entire thing. Very soundsystem, LOTS of sub bass, really interesting/innovative but funked up programming, just bloody greate really.

[Dibu-Z]

ahahaha what a fuck....2 live Crew just commin to my mind lol 8-()

[Django]

i love the old odb stuff

http://www.evildesign.com/port/graphics/odb.jpg

[marcel]

hmm, maybe i make an idiot out of me now but i like ms. dynamites "it takes more" (or something like that don't know exactly the title). i like the flow

hmm, anyhow not really hiphop

[zombie ritual]

Maybe not exactly hiphop...but I'm listening to Tricky's "Angels with dirty faces" now. This was really way out...unfortunately it went all downhill from there....

[KaOz]

and i listen to pete rock &cl smooth, souls of mischief and arrested development.... lala....oooold school



they reminisce over you.

[sport casual]

check http://www.futurefunk.net/us for a bunch of mixes featuring many of the artists mentioned above..... plenty more coming in the near future.

Roots, Pete Rock, Hi-Tek, Jurassic 5, Mos Def, 45 King, Nighmares on Wax, DJ Krush, Dilated Peoples, Biz Markie, Roots Manuva, Quest, Honda, De La, Latryx..... Tom Tom Club!!!!!

Still got to dig through my oldskool but yes yes to Slick Rick, Rakim, EPMD, BDP, Kane, Special Ed.

PS: I made it through an hour of MTV today. Those cats don't rap anymore. It's some kind of constipated spoken word shi'ite, specially DMX and Jah Rule. Wussupwiddat?

[namshub]

call me a loser, but i have to admit a love for ja rule... a female friend once claimed he had the sexiest voice in musik...(?).. i love his just outta prison sleaze bag look - covered in booty babes..it gives me hope... cannibal ox is my favourite tho....oh and run dmc!!

[pille'ocheoni]

PERFUSE 73/ MOSDEF/ DIVERSE....................... ...JUST PICKED IT UP ITS IMPRESSIVE.THERE GROUP IS CALLED "URBAN RENEWAL PROGRAM" HOT SHIT-TAKES THE LINEAR PERSPECTIVE OF PREFUSE WITH BLEEP- HOP ATTACHED AND YOUVE GOT IT,VERY BASSSY,AND BROKEN4,5 METRONOMES.IT GOOD-ITS ONLY THE SINGLE THOUGH-FULL LENTH IS DUE OUT SOON.PEECE

[wheezer]

@namshub

yeah, I really like ja-rule's "holla"... those beats were f*cking gr8 as well!

[V Knid esq]

*wicky wicky wicky BMMMMMMMM!*

check this out - it may just be the best thing ever:

http://thebox2.free.fr/beatbox.html

[jamyna]

Woah, nice boxin!
While on the subject, my mate has a great new(ish) Freddie Fox track.
Saw De La at Victoria Park 'bout a month back, they were just lovely.
And I saw Jeru once, real good but the crowd had to beg him to play each tune!

[jtw]

does anybody know A16X ?
it's one of the best german rap crews

[wheezer]

while we're on the topic of german hip-hop...
I really dig the new track bei deichkind, limit. extremely good & original production, that one...

[Tomoki]

@wheezer

It’s very similar to Missy’s “For my People” in my opinion, but anyway it´s a good track.

[jtw]

.........wir hamn n fetten beat hingeklatscht!

[dirtyho]

If you're into the Dilated Peoples etc then you should check out Swollen Members from Canada similar sound & some really good tracks.

Braintax from the Uk have a cool production sound and more quirky/human lyrics than some of the US bad boy stuff. Also they rap in a leeds accent rather than a put-on US voice.

Oh and who remembers the London Posse? I heard a freestyle that they did for about 45 mins on a London pirate station - it was the bomb.

[V Knid esq]

Talking of old-school UK hip hop - HIJACK!!

[schmedding]

yall should check out a new comp called "best of b-boy records" its put out by landspeed records. great stuff. late 80's sound. BDP, levi 167, jvc force, d-nice...2 discs, very good....although my taste for hip hop tends to be stuck in 1988. real raw & underproduced.word.